From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Wherein I argue for the inclusion of libnettle in Emacs 24.5 Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 09:53:26 +0100 Message-ID: <87k3d7i9rt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87ha8f3jt1.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87ppn2qz0f.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87y51qcace.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874n4e3rkm.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87txcdd6d0.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87wqh8n877.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87lhxocvfq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sirwmgd9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87d2j0ck3q.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87r47fn0br.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ob2jiffc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87lhxnmm0x.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1391763327 30449 80.91.229.3 (7 Feb 2014 08:55:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 08:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 07 09:55:36 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WBhDj-0002OS-Le for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 09:55:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40292 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WBhDj-00033Z-07 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 03:55:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52193) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WBhDa-00033S-M6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 03:55:27 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WBhDZ-0001Vv-23 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 03:55:26 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49882) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WBhDY-0001Vo-Lk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 03:55:24 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57058 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WBhDX-00056R-W0; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 03:55:24 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AD645E12E0; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 09:53:26 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87lhxnmm0x.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:15:10 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169454 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > David Kastrup writes: > > "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > >=20 > > > Ted Zlatanov writes: > > > > > > > Realistically speaking, attacks against Emacs are extremely unlik= ely > > > > unless specific people are targeted. > > > > > > Exactly. > >=20 > > Section 215 of the Patriot Act allows the FBI to order any person = or > > entity to turn over "any tangible things," so long as the FBI > > "specif[ies]" that the order is "for an authorized investigation > > . . . to protect against international terrorism or clandestine > > intelligence activities." > > That order means that not only do you have to turn over the drive, you > also have to give them the passphrases or PGP keys (as with GPLv3). > So it's irrelevant to this thread, which is about mechanisms to make > wiretapping less useful. Oh, but we are not talking about what this section is _intended_ to authorize (its own author is trying to gather support for shutting down its widely overreaching abuse) but rather what it is being used as an excuse for. And since it is easiest to overstep authority if nobody notices or is allowed to take notice, the main overreach in practice is clandestine eavesdropping using generic tools that can be employed without requiring billable hours by specialists for particular cases. > See also http://www.jwz.org/rba-rip.html for more information about > the defenses you don't have against a subpoena in the U.S. But at least you'll know of them. QUOTATION: =E2=80=9CWell, Doctor, what have we got=E2=80=94a Republic or a Monarchy?= =E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CA Republic, if you can keep it.=E2=80=9D ATTRIBUTION: The response is attributed to BENJAMIN FRANKLIN=E2=80=94at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation=E2=80=94in the no= tes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland=E2=80=99s delegates to the Conventi= on. When Obama hands over office, he'll be able to answer to his successor's question "Well, Doctor, what are you leaving us with?" with pride "An Orwellian police and surveillance state with corporate interests lining your pockets for exploiting an apathetic populace, if you can keep it." Mind you, he's been standing on the shoulders of giants. Carthage was not razed in a day. --=20 David Kastrup