From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why not zlib-compress-region? Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 21:51:46 +0900 Message-ID: <87k381w61p.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <53AC0D17.9020604@yandex.ru> <53AD8EA8.9090805@yandex.ru> <83egy97cj6.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1403959946 1858 80.91.229.3 (28 Jun 2014 12:52:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: aurelien.aptel+emacs@gmail.com, dmantipov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , sdl.web@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 28 14:52:18 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1X0s78-0001PC-Ha for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 14:52:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54602 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X0s78-0003wS-6m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 08:52:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39279) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X0s6x-0003ua-FE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 08:52:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X0s6q-0004VX-0L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 08:52:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mgmt1.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:45820) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X0s6p-0004Ru-ME for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 08:51:59 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt1.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0D53FA0AEC; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 21:51:46 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 948CC1A3D4E; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 21:51:46 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <83egy97cj6.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" acf1c26e3019 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.223 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:172791 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Isn't it true that lately most Posix systems, including GNU/Linux, are > by default packaged without a development environment? Yes, but GNU/Linux package managers (among other free software package managers) generally include development dependencies in their databases, so anybody who is not in a high-security situation (where management has a short list of libraries you can use) can fairly easily acquire the necessary dependencies, usually without going through DLL hell (still building your own everything, right, Eli?) You occasionally run into annoying CADT bigotry (such as the common omission of the bitmap-dev package from X11 dev environments), but at least our C dev environments are generally fairly interoperable (unlike Windows where there are three mutually mostly incompatible GCCs). There are minor annoyances, but not so much as to deter people who aren't afraid to type "./configure; make; make install". I've given up more times than I can count (temporarily of course, when I've got a wekk of evenings free I get back to it) on putting together Windows dev environments, though.