From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Turning off colorization Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 06:31:33 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87k33951ey.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <874muenb56.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87egtivwop.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1415187115 4124 80.91.229.3 (5 Nov 2014 11:31:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 11:31:55 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 05 12:31:47 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XlyoU-0008Ae-EG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:31:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45830 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XlyoU-0006ZQ-2y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 06:31:46 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55366) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XlyoL-0006Yp-Iy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 06:31:43 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XlyoF-0001UJ-AY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 06:31:37 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:45628) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XlyoF-0001UA-4E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 06:31:31 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XlyoD-00083Y-SB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:31:29 +0100 Original-Received: from c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([98.229.61.72]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:31:29 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:31:29 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 28 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Dl2RZyeNexSFNKnEvpnylhLzcNI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:176388 Archived-At: On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 10:11:34 +0100 David Kastrup wrote: DK> Syntax highlighting is an established term for this. Even the DK> description of font-lock-mode has the summary DK> Toggle syntax highlighting in this buffer (Font Lock mode). DK> and every editor capable of doing it calls it "syntax highlighting". DK> Colorization, in contrast, is a much more generic term missing the DK> connotation of the _meaning_ with which colors are assigned. Some color-blind or visually impaired people may want syntax highlighting but not colorization. I think that was the original reason for this request: rendering HTML with no colors for better contrast in a specific terminal configuration. In HTML we can specify colors explicitly or indirectly through styles (equivalent to syntax highlighting). Viewing a web page without color, therefore, is different from viewing it without syntax highlighting. So maybe Emacs could offer a way to turn off colors without turning off syntax highlighting, at least in SHR. I think it would be generally useful, but don't know if and how it could work generally. (I also agree that `colorization-mode' and `syntax-highlight-mode' are better names for `font-lock-mode'.) Ted