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From: Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Bundling GNU ELPA packages
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 21:40:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k338m59p.fsf@thinkpad-t440p.tsdh.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83389wt8l8.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 06 Nov 2014 21:47:15 +0200")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> The only downside I can see is that users upgrading from Emacs 24 to
>> 25 might get startup errors because formerly built-in packages aren't
>> anymore.  But that can be documented easily:
>> 
>>   If you used the built-in org-mode version in Emacs < 25, do
>> 
>>     1. emacs -Q
>>     2. M-x package-install RET org RET
>>     3. Now you can restart emacs without -Q
>
> There are only disadvantages here.  You add conditions that, if they
> are not satisfied, will interfere with the upgrade.  It's a nuisance
> for no good reason.

Ok, I can understand bundling org and gnus because they've previously
been built-in.  But when we now start bundling even more packages, those
are the next that can never ever be removed for that very same reason.
If their maintainers are hit by a truck, then you and the other Emacs
devs will have to take over.  Ditto if such a package is superseeded by
some better alternative.

Just saying: if a package is distributed with emacs, that's a kind of
guarantee that it'll still be there in the next decades to come.

Bye,
Tassilo



  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-11-06 20:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-06 15:20 Bundling GNU ELPA packages Stefan Monnier
2014-11-06 15:26 ` Kelvin White
2014-11-06 19:01   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-06 15:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-11-06 17:04   ` David Engster
2014-11-06 19:30     ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-06 16:12 ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-06 16:35   ` Nicolas Richard
2014-11-06 17:02   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-06 17:10     ` David Engster
2014-11-06 17:19       ` Glenn Morris
2014-11-06 17:39         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-06 17:55           ` Glenn Morris
2014-11-06 19:30     ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-06 19:43       ` Jonathan Leech-Pepin
2014-11-06 19:47       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-06 20:11         ` joakim
2014-11-07  8:44           ` Nic Ferrier
2014-11-06 20:40         ` Tassilo Horn [this message]
2014-11-06 20:50           ` David Engster
2014-11-06 20:53           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-06 19:46     ` Stephen Leake
2014-11-06 20:42       ` David Engster
2014-11-08 19:57         ` Stephen Leake
2014-11-08 20:03           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-07  3:00     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-06 19:39 ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-06 23:02   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-07 18:43     ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-08 15:23       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-06 23:28 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-07  4:11   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-07  6:52     ` David Engster
2014-11-07  7:21       ` David Engster
2014-11-07 14:51       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-07  0:00 ` James Cloos

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