From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Replace with CR Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:47:42 +0200 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87k2uetjpt.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> References: <87615yvd8x.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87si92tsof.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1436129431 24923 80.91.229.3 (5 Jul 2015 20:50:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 20:50:31 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 05 22:50:23 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBqrm-0004O4-DF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:50:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47641 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBqrl-0006ll-Oq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2015 16:50:21 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 40 Original-X-Trace: individual.net 7PAhaCTsNWQYFO+L8jfVpQgum0NzuK265yVF22Ay07eN3TrDS0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZmYzZWVmMzdkZTIyMTkzNTQwNzVkNzE1MzhlNzI1Y2IwODY1MzU5Nw== sha1:x+IWcL4tbNt0p6cGgBGBWQfhqik= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:213185 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:105472 Archived-At: Barry Margolin writes: > In article <87si92tsof.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com>, > "Pascal J. Bourguignon" wrote: > >> Ian Zimmerman writes: >> >> > On 2015-07-05 17:24 +0200, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote: >> > >> >> Only, there's no such "enter" thing. >> > >> > There is (2 of them in fact) on my brand "new" IBM 101-key clicky >> > keyboard :-) >> >> Indeed. The world is becoming dumber. >> >> >> On real keyboard, the keys were labelled: CAR RET (for Carriage Return), >> and LINE FEED: > > Where is the carriage on your computer? :) Agreed, but this is entirely another can of worm. why are we using the ASCIi control codes for carriage return, or line feed, to separate lines? Shouldn't we use instead ASCII control code RS (Record Separator, 0x1e) or ISO-8859 (ECMA-048) control code NEL (Next Line, 0x85)? or the new unicode LS (Line Separator, 0x2028), or is it PS (Paragraph Separator, 0x2029)? At least in GUI, when you input some text in a text field, this problem doesn't occur: you click on the "OK" button :-) http://unicode.org/standard/reports/tr13/tr13-5.html https://xkcd.com/927/ -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ “The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment.” -- Carl Bass CEO Autodesk