From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ffb6ce 5/5: Quoting fixes in lisp/internationa Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2015 20:07:46 +0200 Message-ID: <87k2s6t5vx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <55E9AFEC.9010309@cs.ucla.edu> <20150904162349.GC2991@acm.fritz.box> <55E9D9BB.90905@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1441390091 5354 80.91.229.3 (4 Sep 2015 18:08:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 18:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Emacs Development To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 04 20:07:55 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZXvOz-0001ln-K4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2015 20:07:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34077 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZXvOz-0005hn-7h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2015 14:07:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59265) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZXvOw-0005hT-4P for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2015 14:07:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZXvOv-0001JM-Ap for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2015 14:07:50 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58882) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZXvOt-0001Ix-GY; Fri, 04 Sep 2015 14:07:47 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44468 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZXvOs-0008Ee-Nr; Fri, 04 Sep 2015 14:07:47 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2CE14E0FA8; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 20:07:46 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <55E9D9BB.90905@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Fri, 4 Sep 2015 10:49:47 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:189606 Archived-At: Paul Eggert writes: > On 09/04/2015 09:23 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> >>> Please try adding (setq text-quoting-style 'grave) there. >> It works. > > Thanks for checking. > >> I'd prefer to stick to the `text-quoting-style' > > Yes, and the intent of the current master is to do both: i.e., if you > have (setq text-quoting-style 'grave) in your .emacs, then both (1) > unescaped curved quotes are transliterated to ASCII characters in help > buffers and strings, and (2) all curved quotes are displayed as > shadowed ASCII characters. Can we stop making assumptions about the user? Whether one does not want to have Emacs' own diagnostics exhibiting =E2=80=98...=E2=80=99 and wh= ether the display/font/whatever warrants specific marking for third-party texts containing such characters are entirely separate topics and should be controlled by separate options. So what if it's not the display that is deficient but the user? Emacs should not try reconfiguring the user for peaceful cooperation rather than the other way round since that would be far too frustrating for Emacs in the long run. --=20 David Kastrup