From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: member returns list Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2015 23:20:43 +0200 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87k2s3b5xw.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> References: <55E5C99B.3020608@yandex.ru> <87lhcpu2wb.fsf_-_@debian.uxu> <874mjchisl.fsf@web.de> <87pp20jxy7.fsf@debian.uxu> <87twrcxyfk.fsf@mbork.pl> <87y4gnt2r5.fsf@debian.uxu> <87twran0dw.fsf@mbork.pl> <87d1xwbwh9.fsf@debian.uxu> <87oahgbfmp.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1441574733 31602 80.91.229.3 (6 Sep 2015 21:25:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 21:25:33 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 06 23:25:22 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYhRA-0006Je-Pf for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 23:25:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50802 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYhRA-0006I7-Rz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 17:25:20 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 55 Original-X-Trace: individual.net T1dM4AHI+tGVwGe/xW20LQXPBW2nTXLs/MCRjTimegLbM7ig7+ Cancel-Lock: sha1:MGNlOGQ5MzE2ZDRkYmQ0YjJiZjI3ZDU5MTllNzEwNDkyY2JmYWE3MQ== sha1:hTkpiBtRlFTKDL6fvsHdCPxfHQE= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:214775 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:107059 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: > "Pascal J. Bourguignon" > writes: > >> There were a lot of variants and propositions, >> amongst all the lisp dialects. > > What was the reason (were the reasons) for this > proliferation of different Lisps, the "Lisp wars"? Because each implementation worked on a different machine with a different OS (if an OS was available at all). >> Then starting from 1984, some interested >> corporations and institutes invested a lot of money >> (in form of salaries to detached employees), to form >> a standardization commitee and decide on this all >> all similar kinds of discrepancies that made porting >> lisp programs from one lisp to the other a PITA. >> They worked hard, for ten years. Then money was >> exhausted, so they finalized an ANSI Common Lisp >> standard in 1994. > > And somewhere around then, the by far best language in > the world started to be completely marginalized so > that now, when I say it is the language I like the > most without competition, either people (now I talk > computer people) don't know it or are eyes wide > mouth open. > >> or member* in emacs lisp since RMS doesn't want to >> rejoin the common community of lispers > > What is the story about that? Ask him. But basically, he started GNU emacs and designing emacs lisp slightly beforem the CL standardization process started, and it was far from obviouos that it would succeed (it took ten years!). For example, Franz, Inc. switched over to CL only after 1985 and had CL available only in 1986. http://franz.com/about/company.history.lhtml http://emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsHistory -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ “The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment.” -- Carl Bass CEO Autodesk