From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Considered Harmful 73d213: "Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs" Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 17:38:11 +0100 Message-ID: <87k2kcovt8.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <87oa9otixb.fsf@russet.org.uk> <5703E15B.7080601@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1459874333 16427 80.91.229.3 (5 Apr 2016 16:38:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 16:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eggert@penguin.cs.ucla.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 05 18:38:43 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1anU03-0000Ix-9t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2016 18:38:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38305 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1anU02-0006SG-Qg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2016 12:38:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46055) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1anTzd-0006Jh-Jl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2016 12:38:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1anTza-0000ck-N2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2016 12:38:17 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([31.216.48.48]:49513) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1anTza-0000cQ-DE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2016 12:38:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=xv4R0FnXPq+NJBIx4qA1pYRbKOHEDbmeGe95uobrdK4=; b=n4cInZrjeRk2vqykYO0Vy+jxW1 g+mKBGgHSSvQz5/pMihWhxrIlubxJbs2EgygeU7iKn6MjvMqsbRYmhTMy/csgwpi+ceDoYDUlJPoF w+ry6/8LSYaafXms6PXUq/VLE386m3e+QigDed4ABPHzGX5Z1F0MTe65GzB2Ojm7M4OwhVH2C5ato paGRfElBmdtUK9SzA8A9Bxg35EbWnQahoDyf3rgoarbvlmIR88ZmjE+b1HDVbVScJvpOHBX+j0LzZ InWXkyqOskk+6vpUNXS17rdX6j/8tBRXDgiCEGMrKlHNoH188OE+PvVSqGZkU+089q+2jhV0cBzma EtGn9Lhw==; Original-Received: from janus-nat-128-240-225-60.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.225.60]:49220 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1anTzY-000yDQ-9i; Tue, 05 Apr 2016 17:38:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: <5703E15B.7080601@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Tue, 5 Apr 2016 09:01:31 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 31.216.48.48 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:202748 Archived-At: Paul Eggert writes: > On 04/05/2016 04:05 AM, Phillip Lord wrote: >> Not sure how to fix this, but the commentary prior to commit beaab89 >> says "we are going to rid of this binding, probably in Emacs 23". It >> seems a shame to be three major versions wrong. > Yes, this change has been frustrating to implement (see Bug#20484), because we > need to wait until the new Bash is released and more widely available, as > current Bash is incompatible with the change. I understand the problem, and did read the bug report. > It sounds like you have a workaround in mind for cask and ert-runner. Is there > some problem in installing the workaround? Presumably they need to work in > older Emacs anyway, so they already have a way to deal with this issue. Well, it doesn't work now. Cask used to just ditch $EMACS. Now it checks the value of INSIDE_EMACS and does one thing in Emacs-24 (ditches $EMACS) and another in Emacs-25 (uses $EMACS). In other words, I don't have a workaround, I have limited the scope of the existing workaround to Emacs-24. All of this semantics will now have to be backed out, since it is all wrong. The only saving grace is that I added $CASK_EMACS at the same time, which avoids the name clash entirely. But this also needs to be percolated to downstream tools like ert-runner. Is there not a different solution to the bash problem? Passing --noediting as an option would work, I think, and it should work with both the old and new $EMACS handling of bash. Phil