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From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord)
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: eggert@penguin.cs.ucla.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Considered Harmful 73d213: "Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs"
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 17:38:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k2kcovt8.fsf@russet.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5703E15B.7080601@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Tue, 5 Apr 2016 09:01:31 -0700")

Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> writes:

> On 04/05/2016 04:05 AM, Phillip Lord wrote:
>> Not sure how to fix this, but the commentary prior to commit beaab89
>> says "we are going to rid of this binding, probably in Emacs 23". It
>> seems a shame to be three major versions wrong.
> Yes, this change has been frustrating to implement (see Bug#20484), because we
> need to wait until the new Bash is released and more widely available, as
> current Bash is incompatible with the change.

I understand the problem, and did read the bug report.


> It sounds like you have a workaround in mind for cask and ert-runner. Is there
> some problem in installing the workaround? Presumably they need to work in
> older Emacs anyway, so they already have a way to deal with this issue.

Well, it doesn't work now. Cask used to just ditch $EMACS. Now it checks
the value of INSIDE_EMACS and does one thing in Emacs-24 (ditches
$EMACS) and another in Emacs-25 (uses $EMACS). In other words, I don't
have a workaround, I have limited the scope of the existing workaround
to Emacs-24. All of this semantics will now have to be backed out, since
it is all wrong.

The only saving grace is that I added $CASK_EMACS at the same time,
which avoids the name clash entirely. But this also needs to be
percolated to downstream tools like ert-runner.

Is there not a different solution to the bash problem? Passing
--noediting as an option would work, I think, and it should work with
both the old and new $EMACS handling of bash.

Phil





  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-05 16:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-05 11:05 Considered Harmful 73d213: "Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs" Phillip Lord
2016-04-05 16:01 ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-05 16:38   ` Phillip Lord [this message]
2016-04-05 20:42     ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-05 22:08       ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-06  0:25         ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-06 17:53           ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-07  1:05             ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-07  7:18               ` Considered Harmful 73d213: 'Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs' Phillip Lord
2016-04-07 14:57                 ` bug#20202: " Paul Eggert
2016-04-07  7:35               ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-07 15:01                 ` bug#20202: " Paul Eggert
2016-04-07 15:18                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-07 15:25                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-07 16:01                       ` Glenn Morris
2016-04-07 16:07                       ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-07 16:26                         ` bug#20484: " Paul Eggert
2016-04-07 19:55                           ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-07 22:20                             ` bug#20484: " Stefan Monnier
2016-04-08  7:05                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-08 13:09                               ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-08 20:50                                 ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-08 21:20                                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-08  7:03                             ` bug#20484: " Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-08  7:34                             ` Andreas Schwab
2016-04-08 13:12                               ` bug#20484: " Phillip Lord
2016-04-07 21:42                           ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-08  7:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-08 16:49                               ` bug#20202: " Stefan Monnier
2016-04-08 18:12                                 ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-07 16:51                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-07 16:59                         ` bug#20202: " Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-07 18:58                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-07 19:25                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-07 22:01                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-08  7:00                                 ` bug#20202: " Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-08 15:32                                   ` Glenn Morris
2016-04-08 15:59                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-01 23:36                                       ` bug#20484: 25.0.50; Directory tracking in ansi-term broken Jacob Oursland
2015-05-02  2:17                                         ` Glenn Morris
2015-05-02  2:43                                           ` Glenn Morris
2015-05-02 19:33                                             ` Jacob Oursland
2015-05-03  5:45                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-03  6:15                                                 ` Jacob Oursland
2015-05-03 16:29                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-03 17:36                                                   ` Jacob Oursland
2015-05-04  2:06                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-04 16:15                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-03 17:57                                                 ` Glenn Morris
2015-05-03 19:09                                                   ` Jacob Oursland
2015-05-04  2:07                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 22:15                                         ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-08 18:47                                         ` bug#20484: Bash 4.4-rc1 incompatibility with future Emacs $EMACS Paul Eggert
2016-04-09  2:24                                         ` bug#20484: bug#20202: Considered Harmful 73d213: 'Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs' Glenn Morris
2016-04-09  8:43                                           ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-09 13:43                                           ` bug#20202: " Stefan Monnier
2016-04-09 21:56                                             ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-09 23:40                                               ` bug#20202: " Paul Eggert
2016-04-10  0:08                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-10  3:30                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-10 13:57                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-11  5:50                                                       ` bug#20202: " Paul Eggert
2016-04-10  8:26                                                   ` bug#20484: " Phillip Lord
2016-04-10 13:59                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-11 12:32                                                       ` bug#20484: " Phillip Lord
2016-04-10  8:25                                                 ` Phillip Lord
2015-03-25 21:44                                                   ` bug#20202: 24.3; Comint mode sets a bad $EMACS Eli Barzilay
2015-03-26  0:46                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-03-28 15:27                                                       ` Eli Barzilay
2015-04-09 15:02                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-10 12:18                                                     ` bug#20202: bug#20484: bug#20202: Considered Harmful 73d213: 'Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs' Markus Triska
2016-04-11 12:38                                                       ` Phillip Lord
2018-05-24 20:46                                                     ` bug#20202: EMACS=t Joy and Happiness Phillip Lord
2016-04-10  7:13                                               ` bug#20202: bug#20484: bug#20202: Considered Harmful 73d213: 'Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs' Michael Albinus
2016-04-10  8:51                                                 ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-10  9:31                                                   ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-08 16:46                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-08 17:12                                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-08 18:14                                       ` bug#20202: " Phillip Lord
2016-04-08 17:47                                     ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-08 13:15                               ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-08 13:40                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-08 15:45                                   ` bug#20202: " Glenn Morris
2016-04-08 16:01                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-07 15:07                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-07 15:21                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-07 15:26                     ` Eli Zaretskii

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