From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2016 09:18:21 +0200 Message-ID: <87k2h45wzm.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <87h9cdmj6t.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467443929 23168 80.91.229.3 (2 Jul 2016 07:18:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 07:18:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eric S Fraga To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 02 09:18:44 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bJFCN-0001KB-Km for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2016 09:18:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37243 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJFCM-0007bi-T2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2016 03:18:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46320) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJFCA-0007bR-FZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2016 03:18:31 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJFC6-0008RL-6F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2016 03:18:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([2a01:5e00:2:52::8]:36862) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJFC5-0008QE-Rw; Sat, 02 Jul 2016 03:18:26 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9CB274; Sat, 2 Jul 2016 09:18:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GnKT4nNArCAy; Sat, 2 Jul 2016 09:18:18 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (98-171.echostar.pl [213.156.98.171]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 291F8270; Sat, 2 Jul 2016 09:18:17 +0200 (CEST) User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 25.1.50.3 In-reply-to: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2a01:5e00:2:52::8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205077 Archived-At: Hi all, I come a little late to this discussion, but I can't help chiming in. On 2016-06-29, at 16:34, Richard Stallman wrote: > Because the various subfeatures of Org mode were designed inside Org mode, > they turn Org mode into a separate editor within Emacs. I find the above claim to be false. It is like saying that python-mode is a separate Python editor within Emacs. An important reason for Org's success is that it works /in Emacs/. All of my customizations, keybindings, usage habits work across most of the modes. Org-mode is not an exception. > It must be good to use, to have so many users. But that's a different > issue. These submodes should be designed so that they individually > fit into Emacs. They do, don't they? Another Org's strength is that you don't have to use all of its features. > Since I don't know Org mode, I don't know what you mean by this > statement. "The basis" has various possible meanings and I can't tell > what you mean. > > The reason I don't know Org mode is that I'd have to start by learning > basic Org mode, which I am not interested in, before I see what its > specific features are. At that point, I gave up. Let me help you begin. By typing a letter or other "normal ASCII character", you insert it. You move point with arrow keys of C-b/C-f/C-n/C-p. By pressing C-a and C-e, you get to the beginning/end of line. By pressing DEL, you delete a character before point. By pressing C-d, you delete a character after point. By typing one or more asterisks followed by space at the beginning of a line, you start a heading (like in vanilla Emacs' Outline mode). By pressing TAB when point is on a headline, you cycle through various possible visibility states. Bam! Now you know basic Org-mode. You're welcome. ;-) Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University