From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: feature/integrated-elpa 4f6df43 15/23: README added Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 00:03:22 +0100 Message-ID: <87k2d4t005.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <20160916203414.25203.87032@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <83d1j33qgg.fsf@gnu.org> <87wph96cto.fsf@russet.org.uk> <831szh3iq4.fsf@gnu.org> <87mvi5spl9.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <83mvi51y3b.fsf@gnu.org> <87instslxu.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83inst1vut.fsf@gnu.org> <87eg3ekjz2.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83vawpx677.fsf@gnu.org> <87h989ixxd.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83mvi1ww6m.fsf@gnu.org> <87wph5fw0w.fsf@russet.org.uk> <838ttlwodt.fsf@gnu.org> <878ttl3342.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <8360opwjs2.fsf@gnu.org> <8760oosrn8.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83shrsvj3g.fsf@gnu.org> <87k2d46vqe.fsf@Rainer.invalid> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1476918226 10660 195.159.176.226 (19 Oct 2016 23:03:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 23:03:46 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Achim Gratz Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 20 01:03:42 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bwztU-00019p-AA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 01:03:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51524 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwztW-0003wT-JK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 19:03:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36273) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwztP-0003wH-Kg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 19:03:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwztN-0000X0-1I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 19:03:27 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([31.216.48.48]:54551) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwztM-0000W5-QH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 19:03:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=v5xxmEdE4FhnUSQyrmJQVRD+GyHe+/ZzFWyK29zfvJQ=; b=nLcbBFK/SUiXmpkHm+P2zOTWel bblxI5c6X2aMZDww5Wexmn3uy+3sMUgJaq8Bvb3FkC/hcG/L1CoBbTdzWGI/aJ6enKBV4tKmDX/nq TWW58CrY/lA8AVueGUODBF6BNwNyVoEdE+ZVnWDBuZZcZYmmhlV0tcaYF3/0b2eReePNxDoovzN8E bexa8UgEnPgRqh2P1FuX8FCyttjx15zDUrciqKwXCxcpAwp4XHl1Vx3H8Bv6gTIV0yCpYzjEk4ERr 0rmO+pOlpnH2DcZOagJqHO6w7QBn/A2/f3tbNCnHFEvu/6gT4xDB46oKx9M7MMVYgXEJVJAaVqOQJ bYRXAhwA==; Original-Received: from cpc14-benw10-2-0-cust305.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([92.234.125.50]:35146 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1bwztL-000ZfC-EB; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 00:03:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Wed, 19 Oct 2016 14:56:42 -0700") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 31.216.48.48 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208516 Archived-At: John Wiegley writes: > All this talk about packagizing Emacs.git, so we can manage everything with > package.el (including building and autoloads-generation), and keep everything > into its own directory, is putting the cart before the horse. We're not ready > for that step yet. First, let's make ELPA more useful, then we can talk about > reorganizing core Emacs once this initial phase has seen successful reception > From users. To be clear, I never suggested re-organizing the current files in Emacs -- in fact, I suggested leaving it *exactly* as it is. I just suggested supplementing it one part of the build, and some changes to package.el initialisation. The in tree solution, conversely, requires copying files into lisp/, adding more non-source files into this tree in an in-directory source build of emacs. And, as Lars described nicely, also requires generation of manifests, and changes to the load-path mechanism in C. Okay. That's really it. Please, John, if I ever post on this topic again, can you kick me off the mailing list? Phil