From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: I want to contribute and chose right project for graduate thesis Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 20:55:17 +0200 Message-ID: <87k22s2xyi.fsf@jane> References: <86a83x93tl.fsf@zoho.com> <871sp9my5m.fsf@jane> <86wp717e67.fsf@zoho.com> <86poclqx3p.fsf@zoho.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1501268173 7532 195.159.176.226 (28 Jul 2017 18:56:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 18:56:13 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 0.9.19; emacs 26.0.50 Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 28 20:56:08 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dbAQh-0001f7-EV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 20:56:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49633 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dbAQn-0000Nz-3I for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 14:56:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34780) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dbAQE-0000MM-Cv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 14:55:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dbAQ9-0007MR-6b for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 14:55:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:44414) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dbAQ8-0007IL-Vs for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 14:55:33 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE302E6A79; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 20:55:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P1OodWfmB2Au; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 20:55:23 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (static-dwadziewiec-jedenpiec7.echostar.pl [109.232.29.157]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8FC7EE6612; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 20:55:23 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: <86poclqx3p.fsf@zoho.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.110.48.8 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:113901 Archived-At: On 2017-07-28, at 01:27, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Ken Goldman wrote: > >> My 2 cents. >> >> Learning how to deal with huge egos and >> understanding the culture of open source >> projects is valuable - certainly not a waste >> of time for a new engineer. > > Well, yeah. Actually it is not the huge egos > that is the problem. What I menat was - some > time one these lists and groups people have an > attitude to newcomers that isn't good, either > they are reluctant to give good answers, like > they answer in very short sentences, *or* they > do the opposite, write several pages with > details which the newcomer won't understand > much of, and then they start speaking among > themselves and the newcomer obviously doesn't > feel encouraged to proceed with the project. I'm not sure whether I agree. A short answer may be quite good. It may give a pointer - a starting point to learn. And if someone doesn't get it, they may always ask further questions. >> I don't know whether it's thesis-worthy. > > Right. Like most other things it is better to > learn that along the way. Many educations work > like that way by the way. Like CS. They don't > teach programming, at least not here they > don't. It is just something you are expected to > pick up while doing AI, databases, interfaces, > and what have you... > > And it makes sense! Universities should be > theory and practice that is oriented to the > theory, not to the practice itself. +1 from me. May I hang this quotation on my office's door so that all students can see it? ;-) > Because practice is much easier, many, many > people can do it and certainly anyone who has > been thru "3" or "5 years" of all that theory > and theory-practice. (I put the years within > quotation marks because no one ever comples > their education in time. Not because being > lazy, mind you. If anyone would ever do that, > people would ask, "hey, what is wrong with this > dude?!") Really? I did two master's degrees, and both were finished JIT. And I'm not an exception - many, many of my colleagues did a similar thing. > But when you are stuck in all that theory it > sure is a lot of frustration :) Well, in maths, theory is basically all you've got;-). Best, -- Marcin Borkowski