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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:137413 Archived-At: Yesterday I switched from Emacs 25 to the emacs-26 branch. With this Gnus hangs (sometimes) when checking mail/news (`gnus-group-get-new-news') and then C-g no longer quits -- at least not immediately. The hangs are for long enough for Gnome dialogs to appear saying that Emacs is no longer responding. Eventually control comes back to Emacs but that might be due to repeated presses of C-g. I think, but am not yet certain, that the problem only occurs when checking mail/news after putting Gnus back into the "plugged" state after it has been "unplugged". For example, starting Gnus with `M-x gnus-unplugged' and then "plugging" it with `gnus-agent-toggle-plugged' and then checking mail/news, (maybe) seems to create the problem right off the bat. Once the problem occurs, it does not seem to go away: every subsequent check for mail/news also hangs in the same way. At this point restarting Gnus (`gnus-group-restart') does NOT fix the problem, one has to restart Emacs to get Gnus working again. One clue might be this warning message I'm seeing sporadically in the *Messages* buffer when the problem happens: "Server [whatever] previously determined to be down; not retrying". This doesn't really make sense; just because it was "down" previously (perhaps my laptop didn't have an Internet connection then) doesn't mean that it won't be available now. Note: This does not seem to be the bug [1][2] that has existed with Gnus for several years where it hangs checking mail/news after (for example) moving from one WiFi hotspot to another. With that problem C-g works instantly and it's easy to understand what state Gnus is in. (And indeed, I have a command (which closes and re-opens servers) that works around it.) With the new problem, C-g doesn't seem to work, and trying to understand the state of Gnus is very confusing. N. 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