From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some developement questions Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2018 14:58:53 +0200 Message-ID: <87k1o1a06q.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <8336v6cvem.fsf@gnu.org> <8736v6icgt.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83tvnmb958.fsf@gnu.org> <877ekigiiw.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <837ekhb2me.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhxcbmtr.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83in409lub.fsf@gnu.org> <871sanb71j.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83y3cu7t9j.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg8t2ki9.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <20180827015422.lcq44zvsjffeau4j@Ergus> <83a7p76f5e.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg8p9o6y.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83pnxx1foj.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536065897 17339 195.159.176.226 (4 Sep 2018 12:58:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:58:17 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.91 (gnu/linux) Cc: hw@adminart.net, spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 04 14:58:13 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fxAuK-0004Pn-Uj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2018 14:58:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50847 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxAwR-0007j9-Cv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2018 09:00:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51908) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxAvl-0007it-Uk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2018 08:59:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxAvk-0005Tu-Tx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2018 08:59:41 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:35614) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxAvg-00057j-BM; Tue, 04 Sep 2018 08:59:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=wSagxLvgCvH2JdxEubsHisCMDsGNvLoj+jP+a/PJjBw=; b=YURUGMmvgSwprsYJqXmR3U2XS tpw8xlS2NXh/ayzGv+r0BPLN2Im697IpdsdMpoEgNOZNtAmRnrR1/1/kjDFJeEvDM/74n0MiSbWlW 8yqsteJsGDuCe0991FlUlSIZYQUNIigKCHrmAuQz1WYMqM65bfBUUiyyo1IkP2FOlHl5Kd1riVHwM eAxSfmbvSVrVe8ChfYa7wYvbDYBdz5tZKPnbMg2uRXcarT9n0Dj/e36lqFwdxecYsr8DahzNazypd PHg0dzTxjJv+YW3gpO3Z6Dqc7fRvt9giCp/JCGd5jGnjWVIB4W7ukOCF5leJjSXZs+aEsAU+IrJI3 ogydz6xHg==; Original-Received: from [213.244.170.154] (port=47274 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1fxAv0-0060we-6B; Tue, 04 Sep 2018 12:58:54 +0000 In-Reply-To: <83pnxx1foj.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 01 Sep 2018 16:59:56 +0300") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 78.129.138.110 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229225 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> My hope was to do something a bit more intelligent with it -- with some >> screen shots and rich text, as well as highlighting for menu items, so I >> wrote it in org-mode. Alas I haven't had the time to actually integrate >> it into Emacs. >> >> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/phillord/emacs-tutorial/master/tutorial.org >> >> If someone has the time to do the integration it's nearly ready to >> go. To my mind, updating the tutorial would be a good thing just because >> it would give the impression that it is updateable, rather than a thing >> set in stone. > > Thanks. That tutorial looks like a somewhat expanded version of our > TUTORIAL; e.g., it has almost the same scope in terms of Emacs > features. I thought, perhaps mistakenly, that we were talking about a > tutorial for the next step -- for those who have read the original > TUTORIAL and want to learn about more advanced issues related to text > editing. It covers some never stuff, but yes, it is fairly similar. Personally, I would like to ditch all the "how to move around" with keys stuff -- this scares most people to hell, because they think that they need to learn this to do something that they already know how to do these things. In terms of advanced issues, my thought was to enable tutorial extensions to go into ELPA and then have a navigational structure. The current tutorial for the even trivial reason that it's flat. Phil