From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hw Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode as default Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 01:27:39 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <87k1nvbq17.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <0C11D648-213E-4BF1-9095-33A3E0D6DC85@gmail.com> <87bm98owuj.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <83tvn0rmns.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536449185 6149 195.159.176.226 (8 Sep 2018 23:26:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 23:26:25 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: right.ho@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 09 01:26:21 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fymcO-0001VZ-BR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 01:26:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45478 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fymeU-0006so-N5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 19:28:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45341) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fymeO-0006si-Ch for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 19:28:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fymeM-0002gR-SR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 19:28:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mo6-p01-ob.smtp.rzone.de ([2a01:238:20a:202:5301::2]:34016) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fymeM-0002fH-JW; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 19:28:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1536449300; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=MLtPqr3eVp4p6k0v7zXmNJbLwJuA5tCWpoGcnrk8Bq8=; b=EfMV/xOdcH0n0LumqMfEwSxVWbyMQ0JR8fXPdiSF1B4ZcBEfCZLC7AtGZ3mC5Yafr5 DJ693UIDPcVhg52Tp/c4/xBzFE8aoRtqzkhWMcUsduRQzkncoMagHw7mz5S/88FVd0Wm UvKwCuJl6zpobRjf24roU83hjgQJtxC38fJDzz+0tfN6AzZ9r2tE2rgaqdhXT8E9FrLP AjQu8Nx/4DZTJnvTWL3KphGhCfql+Vw68RZHXicUZGq+B3rlR3uX03t1E5SjWialFD3N /qZlbnI4+gNk0RDpm0w3hWijR+lmIOlUUxUw3sr/WYqW7NKBLnA+qI4wNzA9qfkQ/+Se 2XIg== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+AVdIIwXjneEe9k=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Original-Received: from himinbjorg.adminart.net by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 44.0 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id e03b99u88NSJDts (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate); Sun, 9 Sep 2018 01:28:19 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from toy.adminart.net ([192.168.3.55]) by himinbjorg.adminart.net with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fymeJ-0001rV-BS; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 01:28:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83tvn0rmns.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 08 Sep 2018 19:15:03 +0300") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a01:238:20a:202:5301::2 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229522 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: hw >> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2018 17:03:16 +0200 >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> Emacs` undo sucks when you need it more than once because you have to >> press two keys for it. > > Is C-/ and C-_ one key or two? If two, then so it C-z; thus, Emacs is > not worse than other editors in this regard. On a German keyboard with default bindings, those are both 3 keys each, which are rather awkward to press: Shift+Control+7 and Shift+Control+-. By that counting, C-x u is three keys, too, sorry. It is less awkward than the others. I'm inconsistent with the counting because in most cases, I don't make much difference between pressing a key together with or without a modifier. But when it becomes awkward, it does make a difference, and the awkward part of C-x u is not the C-x but the u. With the others, all of it is awkward and they are definitely 3 keys :) I guess this is how we learn to count to 3 eventually ;)