From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Phillip Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why are so many great packages not trying to get included in GNU Emacs? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247863 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> I have been through the process with dash.el as you know, and while I >> managed to get it into ELPA, I have not managed to update it for a while >> because there are new contributors and the process is all too painful. > > The check has to be done right when a new contributor appears, not after > the fact, indeed, otherwise it quickly becomes unmanageable. Even then, there is no easy way of doing it, other than just asking and taking it on trust. Or in some cases, just assuming, because they have contributed directly to Emacs, for instance. In one case, I nearly did this, and it turned out to be wrong. It's probably not worth re-opening the debate on whether this needs to happen at all, but it if this is mandated by the FSF then spending some money on making it easier is surely worth it. Phil