From: Jack Kamm <jackkamm@gmail.com>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: nicola.manca85@gmail.com, ams@gnu.org, spacibba@aol.com,
drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A new user perspective about "Changes for emacs 28"
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 00:23:17 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k0x29jtm.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <af5ff7cd-ec5e-a91b-4b4b-4f674762de7f@yandex.ru>
> And try to consider how the visualization would look. I think it would
> have to be like a tree (basically, like the one undo-tree paints). Then
> it would probably be logical to have at least two different commands
> which allow traversing the buffer states in both directions along the
> branches of that tree. And presto, we got undo-tree again.
undo-tree is great. I used to think it was superior to native undo, but
had to disable it due to the corruption bugs.
Recently, I started using selective undo (i.e. undo in region). In my
opinion, it's a killer feature of native undo, and even more useful than
the undo-tree -- in particular, I think it's usually quicker to find an
old edit with selective-undo, than it is with undo-tree.
undo-tree can use selective undo, but in the past it was considered
buggy, and the common recommendation was to disable it [1]. I'm not sure
if that's still the case, but if you think about it, selective undo
violates the tree structure of the undo history, so naturally seems a
poor fit with undo-tree.
Using selective-undo, revert-buffer, undo-only, and undo-redo-only, it
becomes a lot easier to navigate emacs' undo. But these features are not
immediately obvious; I had to read the Info page to learn about
them. Whereas, undo-tree is quickly grokked due to the nice
visualization.
[1] https://emacs.stackexchange.com/a/37399
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2020-09-07 16:45 A new user perspective about "Changes for emacs 28" Nicola Manca
2020-09-07 18:08 ` Ergus
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2020-09-07 19:59 ` about fido-mode Ergus
2020-09-07 20:44 ` andrés ramírez
2020-09-07 21:09 ` Ergus
2020-09-07 21:18 ` andrés ramírez
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2020-09-08 8:08 ` Ergus
2020-09-08 9:06 ` andrés ramírez
2020-09-08 9:26 ` Ergus
2020-09-08 16:14 ` andrés ramírez
2020-09-08 16:25 ` Ergus
2020-09-09 2:44 ` andrés ramírez
2020-09-07 20:05 ` A new user perspective about "Changes for emacs 28" Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-07 20:34 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-07 20:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-07 21:11 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-07 21:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-07 21:39 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-07 21:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-08 2:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-08 11:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-08 6:18 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-08 11:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-08 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 14:54 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-08 15:14 ` Amin Bandali
2020-09-08 15:53 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-08 16:18 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-08 16:28 ` Ergus
2020-09-08 15:27 ` Óscar Fuentes
2020-09-08 15:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 15:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 16:13 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-08 16:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 18:00 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-09 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09 19:01 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-09 19:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-09 21:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-08 15:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-08 15:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 21:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-10 7:23 ` Jack Kamm [this message]
2020-09-10 14:52 ` Howard Melman
2020-09-10 15:01 ` Jack Kamm
2020-09-10 16:43 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-09-09 5:03 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-09 8:35 ` Ergus
2020-09-09 8:41 ` tomas
2020-09-09 10:00 ` Ergus
2020-09-09 10:36 ` tomas
2020-09-09 13:49 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-09 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-09 15:54 ` tomas
2020-09-10 2:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-10 12:10 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 4:16 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09 18:39 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-10 12:28 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-09 13:17 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-10 2:40 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 10:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 11:29 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 11:40 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 14:53 ` Jack Kamm
2020-09-11 15:03 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 20:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 13:02 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 13:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13 22:13 ` chad
2020-09-13 22:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-15 4:34 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-15 6:54 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-11 12:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 15:08 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 20:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 13:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-11 14:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-11 14:59 ` Jack Kamm
2020-09-12 12:55 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 13:15 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-11 14:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-08 16:37 ` Custom Et Al: Build-Up The Underlying Platform was " T.V Raman
2020-09-08 20:40 ` Daniel Martín
2020-09-09 3:51 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09 8:48 ` Tim Cross
2020-09-09 15:53 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-09 16:36 ` Ergus
2020-09-09 16:41 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-09 17:05 ` Ergus
2020-09-09 14:32 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-09 18:44 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-11 4:11 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07 18:16 ` Ergus
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