From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an emacs-humanities mailing list Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 09:23:26 -0800 Message-ID: <87k0u2sqr5.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <10e79eeb32b5d8f49453fe62f145172d@skeletons.cc> <87pn3vr605.fsf@red-bean.com> <837dq3ldvh.fsf@gnu.org> <87y2ijo3tr.fsf@red-bean.com> <87a6uzge14.fsf@hidden> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15138"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Leo Vivier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 30 18:24:47 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kjmus-0003mi-Gt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 18:24:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38020 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kjmur-0007FS-I2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 12:24:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45406) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kjmtm-0006DG-8u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 12:23:38 -0500 Original-Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:43088 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kjmtj-0001mw-S8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 12:23:37 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E33A4FA08F; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 17:23:32 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1606757013; bh=ckBpBOo3pDFmlUR+dnoR6pgUIg9J9dArKjJJAqHFawk=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=tyXPrXNoK9bUd00NyIRLlbAAhcpKwKmIEuG2EkmJzsEAW+IO2f3qWRDUkgLJvbKNU yZCkyMU0PnC37Ohr+MQVXr/TU++DWj9MTgpum8oF1X6+r0DoUlVJXF1uFqj32V84Qv m5f3ewKOFDL42mTjkrNSsnWcuVkgOAPHCDMUk5eM= In-Reply-To: <87a6uzge14.fsf@hidden> (Leo Vivier's message of "Mon, 30 Nov 2020 14:39:03 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=52.70.2.18; envelope-from=eric@ericabrahamsen.net; helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260079 Archived-At: Leo Vivier writes: > Hi there, > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>> I don't think we need to assume that. Emacs's extensibility and >>> customizability mean that there are plenty of beneficial suggestions >>> that users can make to each other without getting active core >>> developers involved. And when a topic does warrant the attention of a >>> maintainer, then someone from the new list can come find one (perhaps >>> by posting on Emacs Devel if appropriate). >> >> Do you really think this will work? I don't, FWIW. How can a group >> of people not involved with development answer non-trivial questions, >> suggest reporting useful bugs and feature requests etc.? Even >> help-gnu-emacs would not be the same without several developers >> dwelling there. Posting to emacs-devel is a slippery path to making >> this new list a branch of the existing ones, something that this >> initiative wants explicitly to avoid. I'm probably missing something >> here. > > I share Eli=E2=80=99s position on the matter. As interesting as the unde= rlying > project might be, I believe it=E2=80=99s a little premature to create a n= ew > list, especially if we=E2=80=99re not articulating it with anything else. > > Getting more people to use Free software within the academe is a cause > close to my heart, and many people seem to be sharing this sentiment in > the wake of the EmacsConf 2020. I=E2=80=99ve scheduled a meeting with so= me of > the interested parties to start the discussion and formulate next-steps > with the hope that we might spearhead the federation of that community > in 2021. In the meantime, I would invite people who are interested in > the project to bide their time; we=E2=80=99ll publicise soon enough. This sounds very interesting, and something I'd love to participate in! I will bide my time :)