From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, 9054@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#9054: 24.0.50; show source in other window
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 21:05:28 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k0j9ixov.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8bb2944d-29f7-d01b-cd6f-d2a8b1721b46@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2021 10:34:04 +0200")
>>> We could abbreviate such monsters in the menu entry and show the full
>>> identifier in the tooltip of the menu entry.
>>
>> I'm not sure if this would be more useful:
>>
>> Describe `display-...'
>> Lookup `display-...' in Manuals
>> Show Definition of `display-...'
>> Show References for `display-...'
>
> We could try to abbreviate them in some clever way that could be also
> used here on emacs-devel when discussing such variables (rather than the
> d-f-c-i-c some people use instead). But I think that your 'function'
> and 'variable' are already good enough (the term "symbol" has gone for
> good) and maybe we could write out the identifier in the tooltips as,
> for example, instead of
>
> "Find definition of identifier"
>
> we would write
>
> "Find definition of 'setq'"
Good idea.
>> Generally, I agree, but the problem is that "Describe Character"
>> is not specific to the currently discussed emacs-lisp-mode.
>
> Neither Paste nor Undo are so we can place that "Describe Character"
> just at the end. It should be just intuitively evident for the user
> that the properties of the character described at the position of the
> mouse are different from the properties of the same character at a
> different position. As I claimed before, 'describe-char' tells so many
> interesting things which could prompt a user to dig further, as to not
> put it into the context menu.
The question is whether to show it by default. The default menu that the
user will see after clicking somewhere in a new buffer will contain just
2 items:
- Select All
- Describe Character `x'
I think the second item will confuse the users. But it can be added
to an optional menu for advanced users.
>> Should the context menu always contain "Describe Character"
>> in all buffers?
>
> Definitively. It even does tell the user something useful about
> whitespace and control characters.
I can't imagine that a novice user would need to describe a character
and inspect the output of describe-char.
>> The "Select" sub-menu is a good idea. For example, LibreOffice has
>> a sub-menu "Selection Mode" with "Standard" and "Rectangle Selection".
>> Gimp even has the top-level menu "Select", etc. But this means that
>> region-related part of the context menu doesn't need to be the same
>> as region-related part of the Edit sub-menu of the menu-bar?
>
> A "Select" context submenu should propose something reasonable when
> there is no active region. When there is an active region around the
> mouse position it should say _what_ "Undo" undoes and what "Clear"
> clears. And the Edit sub-menu should say the same.
I don't understand what it could say. Do you mean it should change to
"Undo in Region"?
>> Maybe not in Show/Hide sub-menu that is related only to visible parts
>> of the screen.
>
> Tooltips are not visible either until they are shown.
Then "Context Menus" could be placed below from "Menu Bar".
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Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-07-11 18:31 bug#9054: 24.0.50; show source in other window Florian Beck
2011-07-12 8:21 ` martin rudalics
2011-08-31 16:52 ` Juri Linkov
2011-09-01 0:26 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-07 18:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-07 19:11 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-07 19:17 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-08 8:29 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-08 10:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-09 8:34 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-09 13:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-10 8:34 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-22 21:20 ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-23 8:16 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-23 12:52 ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-26 9:10 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-26 14:04 ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-09 17:20 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-10 10:21 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-10 16:15 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-11 8:38 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-11 18:51 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-13 8:02 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-13 17:57 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-13 18:43 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-15 9:28 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-15 16:07 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-15 18:48 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-17 7:21 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-17 7:39 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-17 16:04 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-18 7:36 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-18 16:30 ` bug#9054: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-19 16:20 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-19 17:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-19 17:35 ` bug#9054: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-19 17:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-20 8:21 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-20 14:11 ` bug#9054: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-21 8:32 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-21 17:52 ` Drew Adams
2021-09-22 7:49 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-22 15:17 ` Drew Adams
2021-09-22 15:43 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-22 16:09 ` Drew Adams
2021-09-22 16:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-22 16:49 ` Drew Adams
2021-09-22 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-22 18:22 ` Drew Adams
2021-09-22 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-20 8:21 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-20 15:20 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-21 8:34 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-21 18:05 ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2021-09-22 7:48 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-22 17:10 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-23 8:15 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-23 15:46 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-26 9:10 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-23 8:51 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-23 16:33 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-26 9:11 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-29 17:47 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-30 16:18 ` martin rudalics
2021-10-03 17:36 ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-04 8:28 ` martin rudalics
2021-10-04 17:28 ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-05 8:09 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-14 11:07 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-15 9:28 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-15 9:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-15 9:42 ` martin rudalics
2021-10-23 0:46 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-15 9:27 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-15 16:05 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-15 18:47 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-16 18:53 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-16 19:11 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-17 7:39 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-17 16:05 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-18 7:35 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-11 8:35 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-11 12:43 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-11 16:42 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-13 7:50 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-13 8:10 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-22 20:43 ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-23 8:16 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-23 12:49 ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-26 9:09 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-26 13:56 ` Arthur Miller
2022-05-02 9:31 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-02 16:05 ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-03 10:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-03 17:25 ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-03 18:03 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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