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From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, 9054@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#9054: 24.0.50; show source in other window
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 21:05:28 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k0j9ixov.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8bb2944d-29f7-d01b-cd6f-d2a8b1721b46@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2021 10:34:04 +0200")

>>> We could abbreviate such monsters in the menu entry and show the full
>>> identifier in the tooltip of the menu entry.
>>
>> I'm not sure if this would be more useful:
>>
>>    Describe `display-...'
>>    Lookup `display-...' in Manuals
>>    Show Definition of `display-...'
>>    Show References for `display-...'
>
> We could try to abbreviate them in some clever way that could be also
> used here on emacs-devel when discussing such variables (rather than the
> d-f-c-i-c some people use instead).  But I think that your 'function'
> and 'variable' are already good enough (the term "symbol" has gone for
> good) and maybe we could write out the identifier in the tooltips as,
> for example, instead of
>
> "Find definition of identifier"
>
> we would write
>
> "Find definition of 'setq'"

Good idea.

>> Generally, I agree, but the problem is that "Describe Character"
>> is not specific to the currently discussed emacs-lisp-mode.
>
> Neither Paste nor Undo are so we can place that "Describe Character"
> just at the end.  It should be just intuitively evident for the user
> that the properties of the character described at the position of the
> mouse are different from the properties of the same character at a
> different position.  As I claimed before, 'describe-char' tells so many
> interesting things which could prompt a user to dig further, as to not
> put it into the context menu.

The question is whether to show it by default.  The default menu that the
user will see after clicking somewhere in a new buffer will contain just
2 items:

  - Select All
  - Describe Character `x'

I think the second item will confuse the users.  But it can be added
to an optional menu for advanced users.

>> Should the context menu always contain "Describe Character"
>> in all buffers?
>
> Definitively.  It even does tell the user something useful about
> whitespace and control characters.

I can't imagine that a novice user would need to describe a character
and inspect the output of describe-char.

>> The "Select" sub-menu is a good idea.  For example, LibreOffice has
>> a sub-menu "Selection Mode" with "Standard" and "Rectangle Selection".
>> Gimp even has the top-level menu "Select", etc.  But this means that
>> region-related part of the context menu doesn't need to be the same
>> as region-related part of the Edit sub-menu of the menu-bar?
>
> A "Select" context submenu should propose something reasonable when
> there is no active region.  When there is an active region around the
> mouse position it should say _what_ "Undo" undoes and what "Clear"
> clears.  And the Edit sub-menu should say the same.

I don't understand what it could say.  Do you mean it should change to
"Undo in Region"?

>> Maybe not in Show/Hide sub-menu that is related only to visible parts
>> of the screen.
>
> Tooltips are not visible either until they are shown.

Then "Context Menus" could be placed below from "Menu Bar".





  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-21 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-07-11 18:31 bug#9054: 24.0.50; show source in other window Florian Beck
2011-07-12  8:21 ` martin rudalics
2011-08-31 16:52   ` Juri Linkov
2011-09-01  0:26     ` martin rudalics
2021-09-07 18:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-07 19:11   ` martin rudalics
2021-09-07 19:17     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-08  8:29       ` martin rudalics
2021-09-08 10:30         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-09  8:34           ` martin rudalics
2021-09-09 13:13             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-10  8:34               ` martin rudalics
2021-09-22 21:20           ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-23  8:16             ` martin rudalics
2021-09-23 12:52               ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-26  9:10                 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-26 14:04                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-09 17:20   ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-10 10:21     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-10 16:15       ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-11  8:38         ` martin rudalics
2021-09-11 18:51           ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-13  8:02             ` martin rudalics
2021-09-13 17:57               ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-13 18:43                 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-15  9:28                   ` martin rudalics
2021-09-15 16:07                     ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-15 18:48                       ` martin rudalics
2021-09-17  7:21                         ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-17  7:39                           ` martin rudalics
2021-09-17 16:04                             ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-18  7:36                               ` martin rudalics
2021-09-18 16:30                                 ` bug#9054: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-19 16:20                                 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-19 17:27                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-19 17:35                                     ` bug#9054: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-19 17:43                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-20  8:21                                     ` martin rudalics
2021-09-20 14:11                                       ` bug#9054: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-21  8:32                                         ` martin rudalics
2021-09-21 17:52                                           ` Drew Adams
2021-09-22  7:49                                             ` martin rudalics
2021-09-22 15:17                                               ` Drew Adams
2021-09-22 15:43                                                 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-22 16:09                                                   ` Drew Adams
2021-09-22 16:18                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-22 16:49                                                       ` Drew Adams
2021-09-22 17:30                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-22 18:22                                                           ` Drew Adams
2021-09-22 18:42                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-20  8:21                                   ` martin rudalics
2021-09-20 15:20                                     ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-21  8:34                                       ` martin rudalics
2021-09-21 18:05                                         ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2021-09-22  7:48                                           ` martin rudalics
2021-09-22 17:10                                             ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-23  8:15                                               ` martin rudalics
2021-09-23 15:46                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-26  9:10                                                   ` martin rudalics
2021-09-23  8:51                                               ` martin rudalics
2021-09-23 16:33                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-26  9:11                                                   ` martin rudalics
2021-09-29 17:47                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-30 16:18                                                       ` martin rudalics
2021-10-03 17:36                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-04  8:28                                                           ` martin rudalics
2021-10-04 17:28                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-05  8:09                                                               ` martin rudalics
2021-09-14 11:07                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-15  9:28                   ` martin rudalics
2021-09-15  9:30                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-15  9:42                       ` martin rudalics
2021-10-23  0:46                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-15  9:27                 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-15 16:05                   ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-15 18:47                     ` martin rudalics
2021-09-16 18:53                       ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-16 19:11                         ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-17  7:39                         ` martin rudalics
2021-09-17 16:05                           ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-18  7:35                             ` martin rudalics
2021-09-11  8:35       ` martin rudalics
2021-09-11 12:43         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-11 16:42           ` martin rudalics
2021-09-13  7:50             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-13  8:10               ` martin rudalics
2021-09-22 20:43           ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-23  8:16             ` martin rudalics
2021-09-23 12:49               ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-26  9:09                 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-26 13:56                   ` Arthur Miller
2022-05-02  9:31 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-02 16:05   ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-03 10:29     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-03 17:25       ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-03 18:03         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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