Re: Horrible File menu

[Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>]

>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 17:46:04 +0800, Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> said:

    Po> Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net> writes:
    >>>> So by default, even when you don't use frames, these items take much
    >>>> space on the File menu:
    >>>> 
    >>>> (disabled) Delete frame
    >>>> (disabled) Undelete frame
    >>>> [X] Allow Undeleting Frames
    >>> 
    >>> "Delete Frame" is not a recent development.  It's been there for a long
    >>> time, along with New Frame and the various monitor and multi-tty related
    >>> variants of that.

    >> To make the menu shorter, does it make sense to hide "Delete frame"?

    Po> It does not.

If anything needs deleting from that menu, itʼs 'Make frame on
display'. Thatʼs useful to a vanishingly small percentage of users,
and I doubt they'd use the menu to do it.

    >> Especially the users who don't use frames would benefit from this.  Or
    >> at least not to show the disabled "Undelete frame" until "Delete
    >> frame" changes to the enabled state.

    Po> How does someone "not use frames"?  I thought that stopped being
    Po> possible with Emacs 19, when every X window became a frame.

Some people only use a single frame. Some people use multiple frames
on tty. Tomayto, tomaato.

    >> What do you think about another variant to make the menu shorter: to
    >> move frame items to the File>Frame submenu?

    Po> That I can agree with (but please let Eli and some other regulars
    Po> comment first), thanks.

Fine by me: I have the menus turned off :-)

FWIW, Iʼd vote to have undelete frame enabled by default, which would
obviate the need for the menu item. Having to turn on a mode to get
'undo' behaviour just seems unfriendly.

Robert
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