bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete

bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete

[Stefan Kangas]

Severity: wishlist

I guess net/rlogin.el should be obsoleted.  It has a pretty bad name (no
one uses rlogin these days) and seems to add nothing useful over
e.g. `M-x shell RET ssh <foo>'.

See this comment at the top of that file:

    ;; FIXME?
    ;; Maybe this file should be obsolete.
    ;; https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2013-02/msg00517.html

bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:

> I guess net/rlogin.el should be obsoleted.  It has a pretty bad name (no
> one uses rlogin these days) and seems to add nothing useful over
> e.g. `M-x shell RET ssh <foo>'.

Yes, I agree -- it should be obsoleted.

-- 
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   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:34:31 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> said:

    Lars> Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:
    >> I guess net/rlogin.el should be obsoleted.  It has a pretty bad name (no
    >> one uses rlogin these days) and seems to add nothing useful over
    >> e.g. `M-x shell RET ssh <foo>'.

    Lars> Yes, I agree -- it should be obsoleted.

How about we just remove it? I know it defaults to using ssh these
days, but we just shouldnʼt mention the r* commands anywhere.

Robert
-- 

bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:

> How about we just remove it? I know it defaults to using ssh these
> days, but we just shouldnʼt mention the r* commands anywhere.

Obsoletion is a nice process -- it avoids breaking people's .emacs files
in the unlikely case they're using rlogin.el.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>, Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>,
>  56461@debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:42:41 +0200
> 
> >>>>> On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:34:31 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> said:
> 
>     Lars> Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:
>     >> I guess net/rlogin.el should be obsoleted.  It has a pretty bad name (no
>     >> one uses rlogin these days) and seems to add nothing useful over
>     >> e.g. `M-x shell RET ssh <foo>'.
> 
>     Lars> Yes, I agree -- it should be obsoleted.
> 
> How about we just remove it? I know it defaults to using ssh these
> days, but we just shouldnʼt mention the r* commands anywhere.

We don't remove stuff before we obsolete it and let users adapt
themselves (or holler).

bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete

[Stefan Kangas]

Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:

> we just shouldnʼt mention the r* commands anywhere.

Does this hold also for e.g. (info "(tramp) Overview") ?

bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete

[Stefan Kangas]

Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:

> Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> we just shouldnʼt mention the r* commands anywhere.
>
> Does this hold also for e.g. (info "(tramp) Overview") ?

I've removed some references in commit 050252043f but there are more
references to remove if anyone wants to take a look.

bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete

[Michael Albinus]

Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:

>> we just shouldnʼt mention the r* commands anywhere.
>
> Does this hold also for e.g. (info "(tramp) Overview") ?

Fixed there.

Best regards, Michael.

bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete

[Stefan Kangas]

close 56461 29.1
thanks

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:
>
>> I guess net/rlogin.el should be obsoleted.  It has a pretty bad name (no
>> one uses rlogin these days) and seems to add nothing useful over
>> e.g. `M-x shell RET ssh <foo>'.
>
> Yes, I agree -- it should be obsoleted.

Thanks, now done in commit 512e1db7ba and cd5a8f9cc1.