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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID d394c4febf337d08d6a79256152e6c0c; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:21:59 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (uzibalqa@proton.me's message of "Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:10:12 +0000") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20740 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.189.83; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic306-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:139898 Archived-At: uzibalqa writes: > Because it is known that users are not fully in control of what form or > settings are specified in x-resources, emacs should stop forcing them. X resources are not forced by Emacs. Set inhibit-x-resources in early-init.el. > What I see, is a stumbling block that experienced people can't get passed > because they are being limited by the past, that things have been this way > for decades. I do not see the great designers like Guy Steele or Richard > Stallman at their prime anymore. Here, you're seeing the work of the great designer Joel McCormack, of Digital WSL, at his prime.