From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jeremy Bryant Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2024 22:18:48 +0000 Message-ID: <87jznjuaup.fsf@jeremybryant.net> References: <874jetaxri.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86fryc1vsh.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1c398u8.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <867cjnz7rc.fsf@gnu.org> <87jznnbbax.fsf@dataswamp.org> <86v877xqez.fsf@gnu.org> <87mssh7owx.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86sf293fwm.fsf@gnu.org> <875xz57hzo.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86plxd37go.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23167"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: incal@dataswamp.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 04 23:24:59 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rWkv5-0005ms-FM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2024 23:24:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rWkue-0007Aj-0F; Sun, 04 Feb 2024 17:24:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rWkuc-0007Ab-B5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2024 17:24:30 -0500 Original-Received: from out-183.mta0.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:1004:224b::b7]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rWkua-0001W0-MB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2024 17:24:30 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jeremybryant.net; s=key1; t=1707085457; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=/HzF5CBPS1UIHyVRxGFjBak5lzJldT6XkCv9RQG0CdI=; b=IOyRa8guzTXP+akBDc2F1WBxZimht5wTlzInF7C4ALUEzyeOX1NkTKeNV9UoYj7ekdIIvA xxOY33sy5Y/7pDH+nvTnFM+h/GkJ4jRo8StTchu/9udA9ZVNMH6Mej4xbyyHvbkOO3OuE7 3d5Ba8RZYKg3OVa3d7myZT5QsxTqT9zFwDgAoyJiLepexGV9iiVCNil9cgrcG1WJA/gwP9 kIXsw+WQYzCpdKbmexVsTpwvaWHMW3GIeNavOw2D+T2oCC3cgKBIeiMYzAz1GaHrtoyxsH kfYi7oxCthpvQxGSStq1pcvRuj4DmbZE/SM+NhQvhThT7u6NtWAdht8INP5i0A== X-Report-Abuse: Please report any abuse attempt to abuse@migadu.com and include these headers. In-reply-to: <86plxd37go.fsf@gnu.org> X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:41d0:1004:224b::b7; envelope-from=jb@jeremybryant.net; helo=out-183.mta0.migadu.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:315869 Archived-At: Eli, Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I understand. How should this be implemented, would this be a new file >> in the Emacs tree, or part of an existing file. >> I can volunteer to work on an early prototype. > > I think a separate file is the best, thanks. OK, noted > >> Good. As part of a discoverability feature, perhaps we could link to >> this node in more places, eg in C-h C-h itself > > We could do that, but there's always the discoverability of "C-h C-h" > itself... >From emacs -q, the first line is "Get help" which lands in "C-h C-h" THe info node @Help is indeed very useful, but it takes several hops from emacs -q to even get to it (perhaps via the whole manual) I would suggest it would be helpful to insert a reference to @Help in a much more obvious way, perhaps at the top of C-h C-h - Would this be useful as a patch now? - Should this be reserved as part of a 'discoverability' functionality or setting?