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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320775 Archived-At: On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 at 10:27, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> C-x 4 is not for window management commands, but for commands that >> influence which window the results of a future command are to be >> displayed in, and it has been so for a substantial period, so that users >> won't bat an eyelid before creating bindings keeping to this pattern. >> As such, it is perfectly logical to bind, say, ffap-other-window, in >> this keymap, but not every command that marginally relates to window >> management. > > Since `C-x 4` is the prefix we use for "other window" prefix, what is > the most natural meaning we could give to `C-x 4 `? > > > Stefan Juri gave a well-founded answered to this question in this thread on Monday.