From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Emacs website, Lisp, and other Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2024 03:09:04 +0200 Message-ID: <87jzgtb0lr.fsf@web.de> References: <87sevj9b50.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86h6bzqj2v.fsf@gnu.org> <87ed718o45.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <87wmktb8w7.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1640"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Drew Adams , Jeremy Bryant , Eli Zaretskii , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" , "rms@gnu.org" To: Christopher Dimech Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 07 03:10:24 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sbVC4-0000G9-3n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 07 Aug 2024 03:10:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbVB7-0003uL-73; Tue, 06 Aug 2024 21:09:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbVAz-0003ip-OE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Aug 2024 21:09:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([217.72.192.78]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbVAx-0000qG-6m; Tue, 06 Aug 2024 21:09:17 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=web.de; s=s29768273; t=1722992946; x=1723597746; i=arne_bab@web.de; bh=BNLq7f9njtrGdRDrgza1+M6nIMruVgD9VYrU4HRiHJw=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date: Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:cc:content-transfer-encoding: content-type:date:from:message-id:mime-version:reply-to:subject: to; b=FyD7RcHWAp+sJoH4Ju5IC/JIYKvVV7D3SaquyFjFqni7v6dzS+JKLVQdcG9drxQh a+PcSkMMt34uESxteEbbKjjlonu2HLa0JPX/m3uK/dRrefLQDroL8DNxs2ccauRPf SKHl8tKML5gtl6HXoyfq8B1v560abYxXhcnAQ0UzJI6vyIPEKBh84TrFp0BB67wm8 ymQ57uSmWfGatAmcWVyLqj1F90FdOrQcPjGdKU5a10bmxB4WMQ5eLrT0sqbDO2UAa X6DkVLA+CqRqzIDTKOZg3LTiorA8qpU4EZWZxSuIi2m5jU/3OuUI/wnmm40WA0A2R EI5PTgupW327wcVteg== X-UI-Sender-Class: 814a7b36-bfc1-4dae-8640-3722d8ec6cd6 Original-Received: from fluss ([80.136.23.189]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb106 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MoeY7-1rrU6N1p85-00oYOz; Wed, 07 Aug 2024 03:09:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Christopher Dimech's message of "Wed, 7 Aug 2024 01:21:55 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:tMITCKBBcz9d7HBcNlE+eBUgHr9TQVf8sLvV0DL5MYYUh8DB3Xq yvzpxmiifLakyQP2huAJMYXtn/cyQqghDGMXd1fBYiyhx4ZNRgxTKuCEqB7vc7UgyjoqE8s HKBeaE/J3L9dmkVdtZgIbZ77jaSrQNpyAzeoxIvYh0IuRGLrrO0I72A+a9g/vA7YWXWmJA3 lVGv58+MPULuw95QUlGpg== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:S8A3VNZn2dE=;IJZlggZn7rqRhVa8aWEsoLrf0RN 81zEy9+vUmTn9WunLOI4nGzbzu2YdLQLwFnY60K2WUgUUPefrVU+wMXx/wHMSfyuo5/2oSJ59 xMDKpts5oYuetbAvr6GJnI6OmRRjdzPzTuwMr26jTSPaXkhs5H3PQslkjeW4pEXcVYQTZBl72 qB3Eh/bMINw5QYmAePh6j5x0qQEbzTno321xCM2MVFSi2IFFStHLgOzhjyGQEVDB+YNeZ2I8w KGngPu3ROKLdhDKE7VaFfzrvgZ5DBaG2zGZqb3rmsQCIIsAOgjstWSUAO25L9S1QenCenQ1/1 bD9922Tk7pTf7FAi/O9qOpARi1zjGbWXdZlpWVguCrmSnRWQiHrpyaDeHFasBXBxW9LBUB/// pnRYFwqQH5so3N65na81s3CGXvzSxq67M86R2zmVrY/XWEGu4DgZTeRldrzr69MFSqk+lBshA OiMh479A+ByEhhGO+OfwHj4IjCdbE5iaPSDS+H6kKRYsrZhvkX0f3l9nT5Mss3bZRd/W0mCxJ lo8CS+7qQxzl8YvFJlQPZ/md7f0qcG3Au2K4D7Af4GXmICkDRRtvLyGoHmjnyVROZZfgyXEpZ v3SmBGRcgXsdvVpM+ihG5coONMH8YYjePdsYgiBDkQ9EyRRvYd2T8kis50sDehlNr3pD1mOCg ZwPjZbzfC1wPqbqE19U3s+hP10ZxV458+mSt3P5v+0yDaY1PqMF1HlAvMQg9mZhL6EpQtSW0t Hj1W7PDD9TpAaRNl8POoOTeC0e38w9MOOqmFY1S0q14rodkqWnMHIRMxnr8uQ/2CPjF993mA Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.72.192.78; envelope-from=arne_bab@web.de; helo=mout.web.de X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322472 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Christopher Dimech writes: > From: "Drew Adams" >> FWIW, a description, accurate or inaccurate, isn't >> necessarily marketing. We're not selling Emacs or >> Elisp. There's no market involved. > > Because marketing today makes extensive use of social sciences, psycholog= y,=20 > sociology, mathematics, economics, anthropology and neuroscience, the pro= fession > is now widely recognized as a scam. The same applies to areas such as Hu= man Resources. Such comments are why the honest marketing article has an appendix: "6. Appendix: Why communicating your project?" https://www.draketo.de/anderes/honest-marketing#appendix-why-communicating= -your-project I=E2=80=99ve seen both missing marketing basics and bad marketing ruin proj= ects. I have never seen honest marketing ruin a project. 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