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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325097 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > This is not a basic feature, from where I stand. It's an enhancement. > My evidence is that Emacs has lived for 4 decades without it. > > So please explain why would you reject an implementation of this which > requires XKB. It is a basic feature in that it can easily be implemented for systems without XKB.