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From: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, karl@freefriends.org
Subject: Re: Documentation for "Clone Buffers" (corrected version)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:02:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ish5jmup.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv7jxmw8ec.fsf-monnier+emacs@asado.iro.umontreal.ca> (Stefan Monnier's message of "15 Mar 2004 08:27:31 -0500")

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>> I added FORK argument not to all Info navigation functions.
>> Now I will add it to all of them.
>
> I think this is the wrong approach.  We want a generic way to do "a fork"
> without having to change each and every command where it might make sense.
> And I now regret having abuse the C-u prefix for that.  It should be some
> other fork-specific prefix instead so the command can still use C-u for
> its own purpose.

The Emacs Info browser can be compared to Web browsers where links
can be opened in a new window/tab either by the New Window command
(usually bound to C-n) with an initial content of the current page -
this is very similar to Emacs's clone-buffer (M-n), or by pressing
Ctrl key while clicking on a link - this is similar to Emacs's C-u
prefix.  But AFAIK none of Web browsers provide this functionality
(pressing Ctrl key) for other commands (like Back, Forward, Home).
Perhaps, clone-buffer (M-n) should be a primary method for forking
a new Info buffer.  It's as simple as using C-u prefix.

>> IIRC, the "controversial" feature you refer to was guessing the target
>> place within an Info node from the reference name.  While I agree that
>> this is an unreliable feature, it's still better than simply placing
>> the point at the beginning of a big Info node.  Another alternative is
>> to use anchors, but it places responsibility on authors of Info
>> manuals to define correct reference points.  If using anchors is
>> accepted solution then at least all Emacs manuals should be revised
>> to find all such references that refer to big Info nodes and to make
>> anchors for them.
>
> I think your solution is at least as good as the current situation,
> and sometimes much better.

There are some references in Emacs manuals that refer to the middle
of a big Info node but use neither anchors nor reference names.  We
should decide which is the preferred method of reference and change
them for all such cases in Emacs manuals.

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-03-16  7:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2004-03-05 10:05 ` Documentation for "Clone Buffers" (corrected version) Alan Mackenzie
2004-03-09 15:40   ` David Kastrup
2004-03-10 11:29     ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-03-12  5:12       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-12 16:34         ` Karl Berry
2004-03-14  2:32           ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-14  7:36             ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-14 18:17               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-14 18:24                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-14 18:37                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-14 19:58                 ` Karl Berry
2004-03-15  3:14                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-15  6:46                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-15 23:35                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-16  5:37                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-15 23:41                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-16 12:09                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-14 13:39             ` Karl Berry
2004-03-14 16:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-15  4:57             ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-12  5:22       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-12  1:24     ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-15  5:05       ` Juri Linkov
2004-03-15 13:27         ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-15 17:06           ` Miles Bader
2004-03-15 17:08           ` David Kastrup
2004-03-16  7:02           ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2004-03-12  2:45     ` Miles Bader
2004-03-09 23:40   ` Alex Schroeder
2004-03-12 10:57     ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-04-25  4:32       ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-25 13:37         ` Karl Berry
2004-06-17 16:33         ` C-h C-i Juri Linkov
2004-06-17 10:29           ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-18  7:16             ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-18  8:18               ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-18 14:55                 ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-18 12:33                   ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-18 19:00                     ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-19  3:19               ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-19  0:19                 ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-20  0:42                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-20  1:17                     ` Miles Bader
2004-06-20  1:29                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-20  1:51                         ` One possible bug-tracking system Karl Fogel
2004-06-20 13:23                           ` Alex Schroeder
2004-06-20 12:42                             ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-20 19:39                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-06-20 13:38                                 ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-21  9:31                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-21  9:41                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-22 23:17                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-21 12:02                                     ` Arne Jørgensen
2004-06-22 23:16                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-21 18:26                                     ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-21 22:28                                       ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-22  2:00                                       ` Marcelo Toledo
2004-06-22 23:17                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-20 19:18                   ` C-h C-i Richard Stallman
2004-06-20 20:47                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-06-20 23:15                       ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-20 23:37                         ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-06-22  2:49                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-22  2:48                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-21  5:20                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-06-22  2:49                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-22  5:20                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-06-26 10:41                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-06-22  2:04                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-06-22 23:17                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-18 21:51           ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-14 21:55     ` Documentation for "Clone Buffers" (corrected version) Stefan Monnier
2004-03-16 12:09       ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-15  6:28     ` Juri Linkov
2004-03-16 19:03       ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-10  3:37   ` Miles Bader
2004-03-10 18:45   ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-10 18:45   ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-11 14:55     ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-03-14  5:53       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-14  9:48         ` David Kastrup
2004-03-14 16:50           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-16 12:09             ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-15 18:18           ` Matthew Mundell
2004-03-15  5:18         ` Juri Linkov
2004-03-15  6:52           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-15 13:34             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-15 14:35               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-15 20:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-15 20:40                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-03-15 19:55               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-16 19:02               ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-16  7:05             ` Juri Linkov
2004-03-16 19:43               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-18  7:21                 ` Juri Linkov
2004-03-19  5:01                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-18 18:37               ` Karl Berry
2004-03-18 18:53                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-19 14:11                   ` Karl Berry
2004-03-19 17:13                     ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-21  4:58                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-19 14:59                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-19 17:31                     ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-19 17:47                       ` Karl Berry
2004-03-20 14:04                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-21  5:00                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-21  6:19                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-22  5:24                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-22  6:40                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-22  5:24                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-22  6:33                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-23  3:04                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-21 17:18                             ` Karl Berry
2004-03-22  5:25                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-22  7:26                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-23  3:04                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-23  3:04                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-23  6:10                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-24  5:34                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-22 16:13                           ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-22 16:10                         ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-23  0:20                           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-03-23  2:26                             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-23  6:19                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-20 14:37                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-20 18:01                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-19 15:01                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-19 15:15                   ` Karl Berry
2004-03-20 14:07                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-20 14:15                       ` Karl Berry
2004-03-20 15:15                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-20 19:27                           ` Miles Bader
2004-03-21  5:55                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-22  5:25                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-22  6:12                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-21  5:00                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-21  6:28                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-20 18:01                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-21  5:51                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-22  5:25                     ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-22  6:29                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-15  4:56       ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-10 18:45   ` Richard Stallman
2004-02-25 10:15 Alan Mackenzie

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