From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Possible change to startup.el Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 02:15:55 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87is3dkqs5.fsf@jurta.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111975960 26219 80.91.229.2 (28 Mar 2005 02:12:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 02:12:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ttn@glug.org, snogglethorpe@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 28 04:12:39 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DFjjv-0005xm-4S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 04:12:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DFjzv-0004rF-DE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:28:59 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DFjz5-0004bd-Vq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:28:10 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DFjz1-0004YX-24 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:28:03 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DFjz0-0004Xy-PQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:28:02 -0500 Original-Received: from [194.126.101.100] (helo=MXR-5.estpak.ee) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DFjjS-000277-VX; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:11:59 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.neti.ee (80-235-41-51-dsl.mus.estpak.ee [80.235.41.51]) by MXR-5.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF56012D041; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 05:11:51 +0300 (EEST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:52:48 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35243 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35243 > i empathize w/ the authors of the tutorials who may not > wish to change their text. > > This is a small change in the packaging of *translations* of a part of > Emacs, which are also meant ascontributions to Emacs. If some > translator gets worked up about it, that is not our problem. > > Unless there is a practical problem with the solution I've proposed, > that's what we will use. Different languages have different conventions for document titles: some require to upper-case all letters, some - to capitalize all words, others - to capitalize only the first word ("EMACS TUTORIAL", "Emacs Tutorial", "Emacs tutorial"), different conventions for centering the title, etc. This can't be done without the help of translators of the Emacs tutorial. But it makes no sense to bother them now for such a small change. What is more useful is to provide complete internationalization of Emacs after the next release (there is already an entry in etc/TODO) for Emacs 23 (Unicode-2) and to ask translation teams to translate menus, messages as well as the splash screen. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/