From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bill Wohler Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Visual cleanup for customize buffers Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:04:38 -0800 Organization: Newt Software Message-ID: <87irsoeypl.fsf@olgas.newt.com> References: <200601122345.k0CNjx114407@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1137185105 9462 80.91.229.2 (13 Jan 2006 20:45:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 13 21:45:03 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ExVnB-0006w7-Lk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:45:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ExVpK-00035Y-T0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:47:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ExUGn-0007gc-8N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:07:29 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ExUGa-0007Mz-Mz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:07:17 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ExUGU-0007Et-MY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:07:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1ExUJW-0007Gv-93 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:10:18 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ExUEF-0008BM-3R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:04:51 +0100 Original-Received: from m190e36d0.tmodns.net ([208.54.14.25]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:04:51 +0100 Original-Received: from wohler by m190e36d0.tmodns.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:04:51 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 22 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: m190e36d0.tmodns.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:TtAZBekUis0xp9g3Ab+AbdcI/lg= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:49014 Archived-At: Luc Teirlinck writes: > Kim Storm wrote: > > - Don't show the "Hide value" button for trivial values which > fit on one line initially. I don't see ANY reason why a > user would click on that button to, say, hide a boolean > or numeric value. > > To hide them from the whole buffer buttons, from key bindings that > operate on the whole buffer and from menu bar items that operate on > the whole buffer. (These operations ignore hidden options and faces.) You're kidding me. I'm with Kim. Even if this is documented, it is bad UI. To me, Hide means just that. Make it invisible. If I click on a whole buffer button, I'd expect it to effect all of my changes, visible or not. -- Bill Wohler http://www.newt.com/wohler/ GnuPG ID:610BD9AD Maintainer of comp.mail.mh FAQ and MH-E. Vote Libertarian! If you're passed on the right, you're in the wrong lane.