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From: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc, andreas.roehler@online.de,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
	stephen@xemacs.org, drew.adams@oracle.com
Subject: Re: region-active-p
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:18:52 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ir4lqz2r.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1InfKv-0001Fe-My@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu\, 01 Nov 2007 15\:04\:13 -0400")

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
>     > Overrides the command's usual behavior.
>
>     Perhaps that's how it's usually used, but to name the predicate based on
>     that seems sort of weird.
>
> It is not weird to name a function based on the job you do with it.

It's not very helpful for elisp hackers, however -- to understand what's
going on, they must go and read the source code to the function in
question -- whereas a better name _does_ help them.

If you see:

   (if (i-should-jump-p) (jump))

That really tells you nothing about the reasons for jumping (you need to
read i-should-jump-p to find out), whereas:

   (if (im-really-depressed-p) (jump))

tells you why in a glance; to find out all the gory details you need to
read more, but until you do that, you still have a good general idea.

The former style can be desirable if the details of should-jump-p in
fact are very complicated (not summarizable by a single phrase) or might
change often though user-customization or whatever.  Still, one has to
weigh flexibility against clarity in deciding which style to use.

> The other good names cause practical problems which have already been
> explained.

Well then why not pick _another_ good name which is still helpful to the
code reader?  David Kastrup suggested `region-selected-p', which seems
intuitive and helpful in the same way that region-active-p is.

-Miles

-- 
The automobile has not merely taken over the street, it has dissolved the
living tissue of the city.  Its appetite for space is absolutely insatiable;
moving and parked, it devours urban land, leaving the buildings as mere islands
of habitable space in a sea of dangerous and ugly traffic.
[James Marston Fitch, New York Times, 1 May 1960]

  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-02  0:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-19  9:49 region-active-p Andreas Röhler
2007-10-19 20:57 ` region-active-p Juri Linkov
2007-10-21  7:25   ` region-active-p Richard Stallman
2007-10-21 13:56     ` region-active-p Stefan Monnier
2007-10-21 14:48       ` region-active-p Miles Bader
2007-10-21 19:22         ` region-active-p Andreas Röhler
2007-10-23  7:12           ` region-active-p Richard Stallman
2007-10-23  8:53             ` region-active-p Andreas Röhler
2007-10-23 17:53               ` region-active-p Richard Stallman
2007-10-24  7:33                 ` region-active-p Andreas Röhler
2007-10-25  2:10                   ` region-active-p Richard Stallman
2007-10-24 19:34             ` region-active-p Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-10-25  9:01               ` region-active-p Richard Stallman
2007-10-26  5:38                 ` region-active-p Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-10-26  8:17                   ` region-active-p Andreas Röhler
2007-10-26  9:21                     ` region-active-p Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-10-26 11:03                       ` region-active-p Andreas Röhler
2007-10-26 21:53                         ` region-active-p Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-10-27  2:28                       ` region-active-p Richard Stallman
2007-10-27  5:20                         ` region-active-p Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-10-27  6:17                           ` region-active-p Miles Bader
2007-10-27  7:57                             ` region-active-p Andreas Röhler
2007-10-28  6:55                             ` region-active-p Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-10-28  7:32                               ` region-active-p Miles Bader
2007-10-28 12:15                             ` region-active-p Johan Bockgård
2007-10-28 21:07                               ` region-active-p Stefan Monnier
2007-10-28 21:07                               ` region-active-p Stefan Monnier
2007-10-27 23:41                           ` region-active-p Richard Stallman
2007-10-28  1:21                             ` region-active-p Stefan Monnier
2007-10-28  1:27                               ` region-active-p Miles Bader
2007-10-28  2:43                                 ` region-active-p Stefan Monnier
2007-10-29  0:11                               ` region-active-p Richard Stallman
2007-10-29  1:40                                 ` region-active-p Stefan Monnier
2007-12-10 23:08                                   ` region-active-p Richard Stallman
2007-12-11  8:15                                     ` region-active-p Andreas Röhler
2007-12-11  9:57                                       ` region-active-p Juri Linkov
2007-12-11 11:52                                         ` region-active-p Andreas Röhler
2007-12-11 14:55                                           ` region-active-p Stefan Monnier
2007-12-11 17:05                                             ` region-active-p Andreas Röhler
2007-12-11 18:16                                               ` region-active-p Stefan Monnier
2007-12-11  9:07                                     ` region-active-p Andreas Röhler
2007-12-11  9:59                                       ` region-active-p Juri Linkov
2007-12-11 11:50                                         ` region-active-p Andreas Röhler
2007-10-28  7:29                             ` region-active-p Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-10-28 21:06                               ` region-active-p Stefan Monnier
2007-10-29  0:11                               ` region-active-p Richard Stallman
2007-10-30  0:12                                 ` region-active-p Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-10-30  8:22                                   ` region-active-p Richard Stallman
2007-10-30  8:59                                     ` region-active-p David Kastrup
2007-10-31  7:46                                       ` region-active-p Richard Stallman
2007-10-30 15:03                                     ` region-active-p Drew Adams
2007-10-30 19:03                                       ` region-active-p Stefan Monnier
2007-10-30 19:49                                         ` region-active-p Drew Adams
2007-10-30 20:15                                           ` region-active-p Stefan Monnier
2007-10-30 20:28                                             ` region-active-p Drew Adams
2007-10-30 21:30                                               ` region-active-p Stefan Monnier
2007-10-30 23:43                                           ` region-active-p Miles Bader
2007-10-31  6:35                                             ` region-active-p David Kastrup
2007-10-31  7:59                                               ` region-active-p Miles Bader
2007-11-03 21:08                                             ` region-active-p Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-10-31  7:47                                       ` region-active-p Richard Stallman
2007-10-31  7:47                                       ` region-active-p Richard Stallman
2007-10-31  8:00                                         ` region-active-p Miles Bader
2007-10-31 23:58                                           ` region-active-p Richard Stallman
2007-11-01  2:33                                             ` region-active-p Miles Bader
2007-11-01  2:55                                               ` region-active-p Stefan Monnier
2007-11-01 10:06                                                 ` region-active-p Kim F. Storm
2007-11-01 15:46                                                   ` region-active-p Drew Adams
2007-11-01 17:56                                                     ` region-active-p David Kastrup
2007-11-01 23:08                                                       ` region-active-p Richard Stallman
2007-11-01 19:04                                               ` region-active-p Richard Stallman
2007-11-02  0:18                                                 ` Miles Bader [this message]
2007-11-02 15:02                                                   ` region-active-p Richard Stallman
2007-11-02 21:39                                                     ` region-active-p Stefan Monnier
2007-11-02 22:31                                                     ` region-active-p Miles Bader
2007-11-03 20:48                                                       ` region-active-p Richard Stallman
2007-11-05  6:48                                                         ` region-active-p Miles Bader
2007-10-29  8:24                               ` region-active-p Andreas Röhler
2007-10-22  6:09         ` region-active-p Andreas Röhler
2007-10-21 17:18       ` region-active-p Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-10-21 20:54         ` region-active-p Reiner Steib

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