From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: menu items Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:43:40 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87ir28k0wz.fsf@jurta.org> References: <18303.17317.971572.668847@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199530191 25411 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2008 10:49:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:49:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nick Roberts Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 05 11:50:12 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JB6bR-0008UT-R2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:50:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JB6b5-0005xa-8W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:49:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JB6b0-0005vo-IP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:49:42 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JB6az-0005tf-1p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:49:42 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JB6ay-0005tX-Re for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:49:40 -0500 Original-Received: from relay01.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.200]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JB6ay-0005yj-AG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:49:40 -0500 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay01.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JB6au-000LkX-OI; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:49:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: <18303.17317.971572.668847@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> (Nick Roberts's message of "Sat, 5 Jan 2008 21:45:25 +1300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Scanner-Signature: 7b6940144bc5d56bdacd12344196c2df X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 1976 [Dec 29 2007] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 19 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.8-5.1 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86137 Archived-At: > The menu items are too distracting. I would like to see the key > bindings permanently greyed out as they are of secondary interest. > This probably flies in the face of convention, however, so how about > just removing the brackets surrounding the key binding? This makes > them a bit quieter and does seem to follow convention ( = > expectation). I agree that brackets are confusing since some menu entries use brackets for other purposes (for instance, "Postscript Print Buffer (B+W)" displays "(B+W)" on the right side that looks like a key binding). Maybe a better format would be the same as used in the Emacs documentation with single quotes like `C-x C-w'? This still causes less noise than brackets. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/