From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Online help and help-for-help improvements Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 01:01:19 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87ir08vgfg.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87myplmgn8.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87skzcvnt0.fsf@jurta.org> <8763w8k86s.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1204239935 1885 80.91.229.12 (28 Feb 2008 23:05:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:05:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 29 00:06:00 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JUrp7-0004lS-Fh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:05:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JUroW-0001AF-1w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:05:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JUrnc-000092-Lm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:04:24 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JUrnY-0008W9-TS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:04:24 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JUrnY-0008Vp-On for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:04:20 -0500 Original-Received: from relay01.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.200]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JUrnX-0002U3-K6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:04:20 -0500 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay01.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JUrnJ-000L5L-Dn; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 01:04:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8763w8k86s.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> (Kim F. Storm's message of "Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:49:47 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: d0b3bc0b24c4067239780ad28ae5b444 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 2342 [Feb 28 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 11 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.8-5.1 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:90792 Archived-At: >>> Here is a patch which improves the online help in the >>> following ways: >>> >>> - the output from C-h C-h is much easier to read and use. >> >> Yes, it is much easier to read now. It removes command names >> (not useful for users who read this help page), but maybe we >> could put these command names on the `help-echo' property >> over the help key letters? > > Maybe, but I don't see what benefit that would do. > >> Also using the verb `Display' at the beginning of every line >> seems too superfluous, i.e. instead of > > I'll change that. > >>> * startup.el (startup-echo-area-message): Check for about-emacs. >> >> Could you please fix this also in the Emacs 22 branch? > > I'd prefer if someone else would install the patch on the branch: Installed. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/