From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ["agree"] Release plans Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:10:37 +0900 Message-ID: <87iqtngi0i.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <20080816213508.GA8530@muc.de> <87hc9ka8eg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080817073124.GA1294@muc.de> <87ljyv5gy5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818101802.GA2615@muc.de> <87bpzqqk7b.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818210927.GD2615@muc.de> <87wsidnxqp.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080819155221.GA11524@muc.de> <871w0dcg6j.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080825220105.GA13599@muc.de> <87prnwgyvc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <48B3ADD1.50903@emf.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219813841 7610 80.91.229.12 (27 Aug 2008 05:10:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , emacs-devel@gnu.org, hannes@saeurebad.de, rms@gnu.org To: Thomas Lord Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 27 07:11:35 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KYDJe-0000oz-E6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:11:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47449 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KYDIf-0002nz-3D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:10:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KYDIO-0002l8-Td for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:10:17 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KYDIL-0002it-9k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:10:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52532 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KYDIK-0002ip-JL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:10:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:56774) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KYDI8-0005ai-7i; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:10:00 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CDE1535A8; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:09:58 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1A77811EF58; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:10:38 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <48B3ADD1.50903@emf.net> X-Mailer: VM ?bug? under XEmacs 21.5.21 (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103008 Archived-At: Thomas Lord writes: > I'm saying an additional thing that is a bit subtle. So, there should > be a (4) in that list. OK. > The additional thing is a qualifier on "kick-ass software". > > We want (4) Kick-ass software that is kick-ass in the specific > sense that a maximized number of users will find it personally > beneficial to themselves to study the code, modify it, and share > modifications. Quibble: I don't think all free software needs to be kick-ass in this sense. So it's not a qualifier, it's an additional goal that we want "a lot" of free software to satisfy. > I would claim that API features like a dynamic loader or > tree print/read in GCC are special. They encourage people to > get work done by studying, modifying, and sharing code -- by their > nature. GNU should / should have run for such features rather > than ban them. Those feature-ban decisions were pretty much > the opposite of right. Nicely put. I had a feeling for this but you put words to it. Thanks! > I also am saying that I can't think of any non-contrived feature > bans that wouldn't be subject to the same criticism. I wouldn't go so far. I think it's arguable that the anti-tech-measures and must-distribute-keys provisions of GPL v3 fit this bill.