From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reiner Steib Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: bug#846: Bug in handling invisible text, and bug in Pmail. Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:44:49 +0200 Message-ID: <87iqsmsibi.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> References: Reply-To: Reiner Steib , 846@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222204265 28341 80.91.229.12 (23 Sep 2008 21:11:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:11:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: pmr@pajato.com, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, 846@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 23 23:12:01 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KiFAu-0004nF-DN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:12:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60431 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KiF9s-0000gL-BY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:10:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KiF90-0000Nj-5W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:10:02 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KiF8x-0000ML-Ct for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:10:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=44282 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KiF8w-0000MA-P1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:09:58 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:43924) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KiF8v-0000nZ-V7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:09:58 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m8NL9rGA003594; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:09:55 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m8NKt3en031797; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:55:03 -0700 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Reiner Steib Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:55:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 846 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.122220291130482 (code B ref -1); Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:55:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 23 Sep 2008 20:48:31 +0000 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m8NKmSGW030473 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:48:29 -0700 Original-Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:49128) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KiEm7-00005U-8r for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:46:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KiEo6-0000oM-At for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:48:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.1.11]:47338) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KiEo0-0000iV-GM; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:48:21 -0400 Original-Received: from bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.41.37]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m8NKm85i009134; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:48:08 +0200 (MEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF73131B1; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:48:08 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) X-Face: P05mdcZT&lL[-s2=mw~RsllZ0zZAb?vdE}.s (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:36:44 -0400") X-DCC--Metrics: poseidon 1113; Body=6 Fuz1=6 Fuz2=6 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-CrossAssassin-Score: 2 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:10:01 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:20716 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:23076 Archived-At: On Tue, Sep 02 2008, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> If people have not complained, maybe it is because the use of >> invisible text is rare. What other modes use invisible text? > > Indeed, most complaints around invisible text have to do with the > invisibility itself rather than details of how point is handed in > its presence. So invisible text is rare because it's inherently > problematic (and should hence be avoided whenever possible). Gnus message mode used invisible text to hide headers while composing a news/mail message. But it was changed to use narrowing instead: ,----[ gnus/ChangeLog ] | 2004-11-22 Romain Francoise | | * message.el (message-header-format-alist): Add `From' in list | so that it can be sorted. | (message-fix-before-sending): Widen and sort headers before | sending. | (message-hide-headers): Use narrowing to hide headers by moving | them to the top of the buffer and narrowing to the region | underneath. `---- Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/