From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#2887: Suggestions for simple.el Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:22:02 -0400 Message-ID: <87iqlg4bwl.fsf__38886.2223401249$1239126353$gmane$org@cyd.mit.edu> References: <26172.194.144.135.59.1238851923.squirrel@www.hafro.is> <11531.194.144.135.59.1238888128.squirrel@www.hafro.is> <13654.194.144.135.59.1238962672.squirrel@www.hafro.is> <16717.194.144.135.59.1239072410.squirrel@www.hafro.is> <008701c9b79b$41f3f250$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Chong Yidong , 2887@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1239126267 7568 80.91.229.12 (7 Apr 2009 17:44:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 2887@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, 'Arni Magnusson' To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 07 19:45:45 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LrFMW-0005s1-6h for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:45:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48251 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LrFL8-0002Fp-11 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:44:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LrFL2-0002F3-N6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:43:56 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LrFKy-0002DI-NS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:43:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54938 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LrFKy-0002D1-As for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:43:52 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:33966) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LrFKx-0004cl-Lv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:43:51 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n37Hhm3f014927; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:43:49 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n37HP6ig009229; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:25:06 -0700 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Chong Yidong Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:25:06 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2887 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 2887-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B2887.12391248258666 (code B ref 2887); Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:25:06 +0000 Original-Received: (at 2887) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 7 Apr 2009 17:20:25 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from cyd.mit.edu (CYD.MIT.EDU [18.115.2.24]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n37HKLRK008656 for <2887@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:20:22 -0700 Original-Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7605157E21C; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:22:02 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <008701c9b79b$41f3f250$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:09:32 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.91 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:43:56 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:26985 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: >> I think I will prefer to leave those unbound for now, waiting for more >> generally useful commands, or more general agreement that they are >> generally useful. > > So it sounds as if you're actually going to add these things to Emacs > (even if you don't bind them by default)? > > If so, that's quite surprising, especially since the policy has always > been _not_ to add functions simply because they _might_ be generally > useful. I don't think that's what Stefan was saying (but he can speak for himself). You're right, of course, that it's not a good idea to add functions simply because they *might* be useful, especially since simple.el is loaded by default. I have not looked through bug#2887 in detail, but my impression is that most of the suggested functions aren't quite suitable for default inclusion in Emacs. They are, however, Valuable Excercises For the Novice Emacs Lisp coder. Maybe someone should set up a page on Emacswiki for this sort of thing.