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From: pjb@informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon)
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is it possible for a macro to expand to nothing?
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:21:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87iqd1c7qn.fsf@galatea.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.11356.1259007263.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org

"Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

>> > (defmacro titi (fn)
>> >   `(defun ,fn ()
>> >      (setq bar 1)
>> >      ,@(ifdef baz '((setq bar 2))))))
>> >
>> > Assuming that ifdef returns nil if baz is nil, that should 
>> > give you (defun foo () (setq bar 1)). If baz is not nil,
>> > it should give you this:
>> >
>> > (defun foo ()
>> >  (setq bar 1)
>> >  (setq bar 2))
>> 
>> Yes.  Unfortunately, (ifdef baz '((setq bar 2))) doesn't produce a
>> valid form when baz is not nil.
>
> Huh? It produces the list ((setq bar 2)), assuming `ifdef' acts like `and'
> (`ifdef' is undefined AFAIK).

Yes.  And ((setq bar 2)) is not a valid form.  So it is not a good
idea, not a good style to call (ifdef baz '((setq bar 2))) and use its
result like that.


>> This is not a good property.  It would be
>> better to keep the contract of macros, that is they take code, and
>> they produce code, that is, valid forms.
>
> No idea what you are talking about.

Yes, that's the problem.


> It's simple, really: The code resulting from macroexpansion is a list. 

No.  CODE resulting from macroexpansion should be CODE.  Not just a list.
If you want to get random lists, then use functions, not macros.  


-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-11-23 20:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-23 14:56 Is it possible for a macro to expand to nothing? Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-23 16:03 ` Drew Adams
     [not found] ` <mailman.11344.1258992201.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-11-23 16:31   ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-23 17:29     ` Drew Adams
2009-11-23 18:33     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-11-23 18:51       ` Drew Adams
     [not found]       ` <mailman.11354.1259004470.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-11-23 20:08         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-11-23 20:24           ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-23 22:09           ` Drew Adams
     [not found]           ` <mailman.11367.1259014174.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-11-23 23:55             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-11-24  0:55               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-24  9:42                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-11-24 10:45                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-24 11:14                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-11-24 16:39                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-24 19:17                         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-11-25 14:13                         ` Jeff Clough
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.11467.1259158369.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-11-26  6:53                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-26 11:11                             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-11-26 11:52                               ` Lennart Borgman
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.11564.1259236392.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-11-26 12:16                                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-11-26 12:43                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-27  8:32                         ` Kevin Rodgers
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.11626.1259310779.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-11-27 13:15                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-27 13:52                             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-11-27 16:57                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-27 17:09                                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-11-27 17:19                               ` Helmut Eller
2009-11-27 17:45                                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-11-27 23:17                             ` Tim X
2009-11-28  0:06                               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-11-28  8:29                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-28 10:25                                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-11-28 12:57                                     ` Thierry Volpiatto
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.11699.1259413441.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-11-29  0:54                                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-11-24 11:56                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]     ` <mailman.11352.1258997403.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-11-23 18:42       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-11-23 20:12         ` Drew Adams
     [not found]         ` <mailman.11356.1259007263.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-11-23 20:21           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon [this message]
2009-11-23 22:09             ` Drew Adams
     [not found]             ` <mailman.11368.1259014177.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-11-24  0:03               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-11-23 20:09       ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-23 16:49 ` Jeff Clough

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