From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean Sieger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:01:49 -0400 Message-ID: <87iq4jhz9e.fsf@gmail.com> References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279054940 23386 80.91.229.12 (13 Jul 2010 21:02:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:02:20 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 13 23:02:19 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYmcM-0005IV-KK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:02:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34319 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYmcM-0002Z0-0b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:02:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=55302 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYmcD-0002Xt-MB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:02:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYmcC-0007AT-5J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:02:09 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:40253) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYmcB-00079w-Qj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:02:08 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYmc6-0005AF-Og for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:02:02 +0200 Original-Received: from static-68-236-176-143.ny325.east.verizon.net ([68.236.176.143]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:02:02 +0200 Original-Received: from sean.sieger by static-68-236-176-143.ny325.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:02:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 38 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: static-68-236-176-143.ny325.east.verizon.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:i4r23Zf5at0LpDHCUlAh12d5sq4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127213 Archived-At: Actually no, bad one. I specifically chose red/green and _not_ up/down, because up from one vantage point is down from another. _Not_ so for red/green. It is not perverse to call something "up" which someone else might naturally think of as down - it depends on the context. I recall your red / green comment ... I mean to say I recall my confusion. Red means right and green means left ... and even starboard and port, in my work and leisure. I've spent thirty years on theatrical stages where three-dimensional orientation is key. Facing down stage (for example) and being able to say, reflexively, to the person opposite you, ``Goin' right ...,'' meaning moving stage right and _reflexively_ they move in the correct direction, is key. Not to mention house left's (or camera left's) relationship to stage right (it's been my experience that one should never assume that a camera person has any idea where stage left is). Identifying objects with red paint on them as stage right pieces as opposed to green one's that belong on the left---house right. Um, like in the maritime world. People have been using un-usual terminology for thousands of years. Anyway, and then there's up / down. Meaning in / out, into the scene / out of the scene (whether it's movement through a hole in the stage or into the upper regions of the stagehouse (the flys). Up and down are reserved for the forward and backward, now-days, horizontal, movement. People that do not get this do not become rigging carpenters---they don't get to hang stuff over people's heads. People that can't get stage left and right right bump into others a lot. Some just don't work in theater. When I first noticed the vertical / horizontal split-thing in Emacs, I thought to myself, ``I can make this work and save myself some time.'' When I found `C-h t', I thought, ``Cool, that's how this works and works well.'' I'll only mention touch typing: touch typing.