From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:48:03 +0100 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87iq2yzvpo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19537.40472.267000.563053@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87tymlv41y.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <8D701A9E7D444011925CB68BF0883D2B@us.oracle.com> <87hbikdss4.fsf@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1282744687 10532 80.91.229.12 (25 Aug 2010 13:58:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 25 15:58:05 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OoGUL-0006cT-Af for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:58:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34083 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OoGUL-0008PJ-05 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:58:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=60411 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OoGSx-0007ng-TH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:56:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OoGSw-0004IO-9u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:56:35 -0400 Original-Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]:32773) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OoGSw-0004IK-4k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:56:34 -0400 Original-Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0796E8068; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 06:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F63451C141; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 06:56:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:34:42 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:129209 Archived-At: >> But what are technical difficulties of implementing menu accelerators? > > I have no idea. But apparently Lennart has more or less succeeded for Windows, > and Stephen mentioned that XEmacs added accelerators long ago. Does XEmacs bind a key (or key sequences) to access the top-level menu? I mean something like or Alt-F (for File menu)? >> IIUC, Gtk and Windows already support menu accelerators, >> and they will also improve navigation in tmm-menubar >> (that currently assigns quite random accelerators). > > [With La Carte what you type directly reflects the menu names themselves: you > complete against a menu path (with substring etc. matching, if you use Icicles > or Ido etc.). There is nothing arbitrary about what you type. This helps you > learn and remember the menu organization. You can drill down the menu hierarchy > progressively, as in TMM (but with meaningful input) or you can match your menu > target directly.] Tmm is for menu navigation, and La Carte is for menu completion. I think they both are useful. >> So for instance, in Gimp you can open a file by typing ` f o'. >> And in Emacs it will be possible to do exactly the same >> in Gtk, Windows, xterm and non-toolkit versions (using tmm). > > I have nothing against Emacs supporting menu accelerators. That should be clear > from previous posts. Then who is against Emacs supporting menu accelerators? :-)