From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jim Meyering Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.comp.lib.gnulib.bugs Subject: Re: RE : Re: Files from gnulib Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:09:39 +0100 Message-ID: <87ipxbq0a4.fsf@meyering.net> References: <87oc75t4tn.fsf@meyering.net> <871v41t04k.fsf@meyering.net> <831v40zunr.fsf@gnu.org> <83aaioxpw7.fsf@gnu.org> <87y668os2r.fsf@meyering.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1296047429 22670 80.91.229.12 (26 Jan 2011 13:10:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, bug-gnulib@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, roucaries.bastien@gmail.com, sdl.web@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 26 14:10:23 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pi58g-0001RB-He for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:10:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51432 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pi58f-0005jQ-IV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:10:21 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41841 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pi586-0005YR-WC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:09:48 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pi585-0008Ka-LF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:09:46 -0500 Original-Received: from mx.meyering.net ([82.230.74.64]:33767) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pi581-0008JR-6m; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:09:41 -0500 Original-Received: by rho.meyering.net (Acme Bit-Twister, from userid 1000) id 895F7600E1; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:09:39 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 26 Jan 2011 07:42:16 -0500") Original-Lines: 44 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:135003 gmane.comp.lib.gnulib.bugs:24963 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Jim Meyering ... >> Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> From: Leo >> ... >> >> Please don't take that personally. >> > >> > Everything is personal in this world. People who don't take things >> > personal are people you should stay away of. >> >> ?? >> On the contrary. >> Projects can improve/evolve more rapidly when egos don't interfere. > > "Personally" != "ego". People who take their jobs personally are the > best ones I ever met. Being emotional about your job is not a vice; > on the contrary. Taking well-intended technical suggestions as a personal attack (and responding in kind) is counterproductive, no matter what you call it. > But I _really_, REALLY don't want to start a sub-thread on this. > >> I find that people get a lot more real work done when they do not >> interpret constructive criticism of their code as a personal attack. > > We are not talking about any criticism of my code. The analogy is We are talking about process restrictions that you want to continue to impose on the code of all developers, solely for the sake of the DOS port. Paul has been patient and professional, constantly proposing alternatives intended to ease the maintenance of the DOS port. Yet, you seem to reject each of those without giving him a chance. > inappropriate. There were no technical reasons for rejecting my > simple original suggestion. Only dogmatic arguments, whose intent is > very clear: to resist any effort, even an infinitesimal one, on the > Posix side, even if it imposes an unduly heavy burden on me and on the > end users. There's nothing between this and constructive criticism on > the one hand, and "ego" on the other. We're trying to minimize or eliminate your burden, but you seem unwilling to consider the slightest change.