From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as a desktop environment Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 18:35:49 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87ipsyl5ey.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87aaebbndz.fsf@lifelogs.com> <09EEF7C6-A715-412D-ABE7-022681CD2E85@raeburn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1306366574 9656 80.91.229.12 (25 May 2011 23:36:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 23:36:14 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 26 01:36:10 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QPNcY-0007BV-Jr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 May 2011 01:36:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59525 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QPNcY-0006zH-7y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 May 2011 19:36:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:41831) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QPNcV-0006zA-Qr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2011 19:36:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QPNcU-0005H9-RO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2011 19:36:07 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:45489) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QPNcU-0005H5-I4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2011 19:36:06 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QPNcT-000778-KU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2011 01:36:05 +0200 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 May 2011 01:36:05 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 May 2011 01:36:05 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 53 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:efCbsy2+2QfH9rOQR8YmHTZM2kk= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:139713 Archived-At: On Wed, 25 May 2011 12:33:55 -0400 Ken Raeburn wrote: KR> I still go to external programs for lots of tasks, though: KR> * viewing .doc files, editing/viewing spreadsheets from others, making presentation slides (OpenOffice); not very common, so not a big deal Thankfully I have avoided that plague so far. KR> * general web browsing (firefox/iceweasel) I don't think external programs are avoidable for this nowadays. KR> * bug tracking (Jira server, via iceweasel); and whaddaya know, Google points me to the JiraMode node at EmacsWiki, hmm... That's really outside the "desktop environment" discussion. >> - load indicators (CPU, memory, network load, etc.): can be done with SVG KR> Ooh, this sounds interesting... Yeah, several people have mentioned this one. So I guess it's the first piece I'll tackle. On Wed, 25 May 2011 23:58:17 +0200 Lennart Borgman wrote: LB> Would not a lot more people gain from a better Gnome than from a LB> better Emacs desktop? I think both are good things, but Gnome has a different direction from what I've described and so my suggestions are unlikely to be adopted there. Plus I am much happier writing Lisp than other languages. On Wed, 25 May 2011 09:45:18 -0700 PJ Weisberg wrote: PW> On Wednesday, May 25, 2011, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> On Wed, 25 May 2011 09:31:24 +0200 joakim@verona.se wrote: TN> [load indicators] No need!  OK, "urxvt -e top" works, too. >> TN> [date, weather, market indicators] No need! >> TN> [workspace indicator] All in the mind.  Or, "work? what's that? TN> space? nice place!". >> >> I disagree, those are necessary. PW> Most of those are a waste of space, except for date/time, which is essential. Let's put it this way: I will implement some indicators since several people have said that's a good thing, and it's not a lot of work. Then you and everyone else can choose not to use them. Everyone's happy that way, especially me, since I don't have to argue about it. Ted