From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: md5i@md5i.com, dan.colascione@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
juri@jurta.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dmoncayo@gmail.com,
acm@muc.de, yandros@mit.edu, drew.adams@oracle.com
Subject: Re: `isearch-allow-scroll' - a misnomer and a bad design
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:33:35 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ipolb0pc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1R6Tii-0000zy-Jw@fencepost.gnu.org>
Richard Stallman writes:
> Whether something is a mode is a question about how people understand
> its interface.
Indeed. Guess what? My fingers use isearch as you originally
intended; I don't use *any* non-printing characters to invoke isearch-
specific commands except C-s, C-r, BKSP, and RET (you missed those
last two, I think they have always been available with isearch-
specific behavior). Nevertheless, I *understand* isearch as modal.
> It is normal for editing commands to stop searching and edit
> instead.
You made an exception for BKSP. That one bothers me a lot. Much of
the time, it "should" stop searching and edit the buffer, but it
doesn't. Of course, there's no way for Emacs to know which I meant,
so I have to accept that modality. OTOH, it would be abnormal for RET
to stop searching and self-insert; its current meaning of "accept the
search (= just stay at the found text)" is just right. Those two
keystrokes alone are enough to evoke a perception of modality in me.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-09-22 5:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-09-09 20:38 `isearch-allow-scroll' - a misnomer and a bad design Drew Adams
2011-09-09 21:52 ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-09 23:07 ` Drew Adams
2011-09-10 0:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-09-10 7:48 ` Drew Adams
2011-09-10 11:28 ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-10 16:44 ` Drew Adams
2011-09-10 11:47 ` Juri Linkov
2011-09-10 12:13 ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-10 2:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-09-10 11:10 ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-10 16:43 ` Drew Adams
2011-09-10 19:04 ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-10 20:22 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-09-10 23:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-09-11 0:47 ` Drew Adams
2011-09-11 10:39 ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-11 16:54 ` Drew Adams
2011-09-11 17:30 ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-11 18:53 ` Drew Adams
2011-09-12 2:46 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-12 9:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-13 1:39 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-13 14:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-13 20:05 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-13 21:04 ` Drew Adams
2011-09-13 22:52 ` Juri Linkov
2011-09-14 0:32 ` Daniel Colascione
2011-09-14 0:41 ` Drew Adams
2011-09-14 14:10 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-14 14:35 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-09-15 4:11 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-14 14:44 ` Drew Adams
2011-09-18 2:52 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-19 19:08 ` chad
2011-09-20 15:16 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-20 19:17 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2011-09-20 19:59 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-09-21 1:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-09-21 14:51 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-21 15:01 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-09-21 15:10 ` Drew Adams
2011-09-21 16:35 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
[not found] ` <E1R6Tii-0000zy-Jw@f!! encepost.gnu.org>
2011-09-21 20:48 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-21 21:13 ` Drew Adams
2011-09-22 13:58 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-08 21:13 ` Drew Adams
2011-09-22 5:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2011-09-22 13:59 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-22 10:35 ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-22 21:44 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-22 22:23 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-09-23 12:30 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-21 9:04 ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-21 9:27 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-09-21 9:29 ` chad
2011-09-21 13:22 ` Drew Adams
2011-09-21 14:50 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-12 14:59 ` Drew Adams
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