Setting initial frame's parameters before its creation

Setting initial frame's parameters before its creation

[Leo Liu]

Hi there,

I am now working with a setup with two screens of different resolutions.
I would like a way in elisp to change the initial frame's parameters
before its creation.

Setting them using x resources seems to be the only way but it could
only provide good defaults for a fixed resolution and thus breaks down
with two resolutions as in my case.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Leo

Re: Setting initial frame's parameters before its creation

[Stefan Monnier]

> I am now working with a setup with two screens of different resolutions.
> I would like a way in elisp to change the initial frame's parameters
> before its creation.
> Setting them using x resources seems to be the only way but it could
> only provide good defaults for a fixed resolution and thus breaks down
> with two resolutions as in my case.
> Any suggestions?

I have a local patch which causes Emacs (in GUI sessions) to read the
.emacs because creating the "initial" frame.  You could use something
like that, but it requires recompiling Emacs.

Another option might be to use an emacs daemon, since in this case as
well the .emacs file is read before setting up any GUI frame.


        Stefan

Re: Setting initial frame's parameters before its creation

[Leo Liu]

On 2013-03-01 11:47 +0800, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> I have a local patch which causes Emacs (in GUI sessions) to read the
> .emacs because creating the "initial" frame.  You could use something
> like that, but it requires recompiling Emacs.

Yes I am interested. BTW, do you plan to add it to trunk at some point?

> Another option might be to use an emacs daemon, since in this case as
> well the .emacs file is read before setting up any GUI frame.

OK, I'll think about this as well. Thank you.

Leo

Re: Setting initial frame's parameters before its creation

[Stefan Monnier]

>> I have a local patch which causes Emacs (in GUI sessions) to read the
>> .emacs because creating the "initial" frame.  You could use something
>> like that, but it requires recompiling Emacs.
> Yes I am interested. BTW, do you plan to add it to trunk at some point?

I wrote it more as an experiment than anything else.  If there's enough
demand I can try and clean it up, but the main problem is that to use
it, you'd need to provide a command-line argument (since just flat out
changing the Emacs behavior would break many users's .emacs).

>> Another option might be to use an emacs daemon, since in this case as
>> well the .emacs file is read before setting up any GUI frame.
> OK, I'll think about this as well. Thank you.


        Stefan

Re: Setting initial frame's parameters before its creation

[Stefan Monnier]

> I wrote it more as an experiment than anything else.  If there's enough
> demand I can try and clean it up, but the main problem is that to use
> it, you'd need to provide a command-line argument (since just flat out
> changing the Emacs behavior would break many users's .emacs).

Tho I guess we could introduce a new startup file ~/.emacs.d/early-init.el


        Stefan

Re: Setting initial frame's parameters before its creation

[Xue Fuqiao]

On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 11:34:42 -0500
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:

> > I wrote it more as an experiment than anything else.  If there's enough
> > demand I can try and clean it up, but the main problem is that to use
> > it, you'd need to provide a command-line argument (since just flat out
> > changing the Emacs behavior would break many users's .emacs).
> 
> Tho I guess we could introduce a new startup file ~/.emacs.d/early-init.el

Looks good.

>         Stefan

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Re: Setting initial frame's parameters before its creation

[Leo Liu]

On 2013-03-02 00:34 +0800, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> Tho I guess we could introduce a new startup file ~/.emacs.d/early-init.el
>
>
>         Stefan

That would be nice. A few people are annoyed that we cannot program
initial-frame nicely in elisp and before-init-hook is beyond useless for
users.

How about naming the file before-init or before-init-hook?

Thanks,
Leo

Re: Setting initial frame's parameters before its creation

[Tomasz Gajewski]

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> I wrote it more as an experiment than anything else.  If there's
>> enough demand I can try and clean it up, but the main problem is that
>> to use it, you'd need to provide a command-line argument (since just
>> flat out changing the Emacs behavior would break many users's
>> .emacs).
>
> Tho I guess we could introduce a new startup file
> ~/.emacs.d/early-init.el

It would be nice if it could also solve (maybe not so common) problem of
loading custom user code before executing site init files. I had to
uninstall doxymacs on debian to be able to load development version of
cedet because doxymacs loaded wrong version of eieio before evaluating
my .emacs. I couldn't find any other clean way of doing it.

Or maybe there is some other solution to this that I'm not aware of?

Regards
Tomasz Gajewski

Re: Setting initial frame's parameters before its creation

[Didier Verna]

Tomasz Gajewski <tomga@wp.pl> wrote:

> Or maybe there is some other solution to this that I'm not aware of?

  Why don't you just

;; Put Custom settings elsewhere and load them now:
(setq custom-file "~/.emacs.d/custom.el")
(load custom-file)

  in your init file ?

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Re: Setting initial frame's parameters before its creation

[Tomasz Gajewski]

Didier Verna <didier@didierverna.net> writes:

> Tomasz Gajewski <tomga@wp.pl> wrote:
>
>> Or maybe there is some other solution to this that I'm not aware of?
>
>   Why don't you just
>
> ;; Put Custom settings elsewhere and load them now:
> (setq custom-file "~/.emacs.d/custom.el")
> (load custom-file)
>
>   in your init file ?

How would it help me to avoid evaluating elisp site init file before
evaluating my .emacs. Anything I could write in .emacs was just too
late. Doxymacs package in debian caused loading eieio before my code in
.emacs was evaluated.

Maybe I could run emacs with -no-site-file and later load it somehow but
I do not consider this a clean solution.

Regards
Tomasz Gajewski

Re: Setting initial frame's parameters before its creation

[Didier Verna]

Tomasz Gajewski <tomga@wp.pl> wrote:

> How would it help me to avoid evaluating elisp site init file before
> evaluating my .emacs.

  Oh, sorry. I misread your message and didn't notice you were talking
  about /site/ init files.

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