From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Does anyone really use emacs in terminal? Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 15:13:11 +0200 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87ip2wuu8o.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1367847056 3042 80.91.229.3 (6 May 2013 13:30:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 13:30:56 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 06 15:30:57 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UZLVF-0003bT-Uo for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 May 2013 15:30:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59078 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZLVF-0008A4-FO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 May 2013 09:30:53 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 34 Original-X-Trace: individual.net q1SP3CxAeZtJS3FFVFLQ3wbTgypvZAWWKOtEm1d3lDCfT+fz9d Cancel-Lock: sha1:OTdiYThhZjY0ZTA1YWJjMDY1N2M1ZDYyZTY0MGE5MDBlMGE5ZWIwNQ== sha1:TXRrADogv1kH7IUy4bbqhRSI65E= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:198263 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 06 May 2013 09:30:37 -0400 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:90530 Archived-At: Jason White writes: > Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >>Are you suggesting you're willing to put in the work to remove terminal >>support from Emacs? It'd be a lot of work. What would be the point? > > Exactly. And if anyone is seriously proposing to remove terminal support, > could they also implement all of the necessary ATK interfaces to enable my > braille display to be used with Emacs under X11 and GTK? It works wonderfully > at the console and also over ssh connections, thanks to the terminal display > code in Emacs, removal of which would be a major regression for my use cases. > > I should mention that I use Emacspeak for speech output and highly recommend > it; Emacspeak can run equally well in a terminal or under X, but for braille > access (using a refreshable braille device) Emacs really must be run in a > terminal session. As for the usage patterns, I should mention that it occurs often enough that I use both terminal frames and X11 frames. (And if Cocoa emacs was able to do it, I would also use X11 or terminal frames at the same time with a Cocoa window). Since I reboot emacs only when I need to reboot the underlying kernel, I connect to my emacs instances thru any kind of interface. I have on my desktop a MacOSX, a Linux and a MS-Windows-7 system, and I may also connect to it remotely. Therefore I may want to make frames from any of those interfaces to the same emacs instance. -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ A bad day in () is better than a good day in {}.