From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14447: tramp-gvfs.el and xesam.el sometime fail to load Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 16:00:25 +0200 Message-ID: <87ip29bxty.fsf@gmx.de> References: <8761yacbk7.fsf@gmx.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1369317693 4947 80.91.229.3 (23 May 2013 14:01:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 14:01:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 14447@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 23 16:01:30 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UfW5C-0004E9-7s for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 May 2013 16:01:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33915 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UfW5B-0007bB-RT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:01:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42903) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UfW52-0007HT-DE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:01:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UfW4w-0000kp-Ov for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:01:20 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:41632) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UfW4w-0000kX-MS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:01:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UfW5j-0004J5-OE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:02:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 14:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14447 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14447-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14447.136931770016518 (code B ref 14447); Thu, 23 May 2013 14:02:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14447) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 May 2013 14:01:40 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58223 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UfW5J-0004II-BO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:01:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:55269) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UfW57-0004HA-FZ for 14447@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:01:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.29]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MHuiJ-1UcVOL3jIL-003fK6 for <14447@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 23 May 2013 16:00:28 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 May 2013 14:00:28 -0000 Original-Received: from p5DCA3241.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO detlef.gmx.de) [93.202.50.65] by mail.gmx.net (mp029) with SMTP; 23 May 2013 16:00:28 +0200 X-Authenticated: #3708877 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18WH5RUC4oWl1cF/JQjtHKVwk6Pp/Qt2y3R/bGEok YBarVT0RZhmIrp In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 23 May 2013 09:35:47 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:74485 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >>> It ought to always be possible to load lisp libraries. >> I've wrapped the call of `dbus-get-unique-name' by >> `ignore-errors'. tramp-gvfs.el returns now the user error "Package >> `tramp-gvfs' not supported", which is intended. > > Not good enough: as Glenn wrote "It ought to always be possible to load > lisp libraries". They may be loaded for all kinds of reasons that have > nothing to do with using that library. I understand this. However, there shall be an indication to the user that all those (D-Bus based) Tramp methods are not available. How shall I do it otherwise? Well, maybe a warning. Would this be acceptable? >> xesam.el is obsolete (the XESAM interface is not used anymore by search >> engines). Shouldn't we move xesam.el to "obsolete/"? > > Feel free to do it (but even in obsolete/, it should be always possible > to load this library). For sure. I'll move it. > Stefan Best regards, Michael.