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From: wgreenhouse@riseup.net (W. Greenhouse)
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is Emacs very alive, active and improving?
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 07:59:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ioyp7wqu.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87r4ddo4yp.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se

Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:

> I've heard that Emacs is self-documenting numerous times, and, if
> this refers to the docstrings of Elisp functions, I have to say
> "self-documenting" is stretching the truth. The docstrings are a
> handy way to provide documentation, and the Emacs access to that
> documentation is provided instantly upon evaluation of the defun
> (of if it is some other thing: a variable, perhaps). This is all
> well and good, but the documentation has to be written
> nonetheless, like any other documentation.
>
> Emacs can also tell you the parameters of a function, where it is
> defined (and provide hyperlinks), etc., and this is indispensable
> knowledge, for sure - but perhaps not "documentation" as much as a
> specification for a person who already knows the workings.

Right, I was referring to the describe-* family of commands, the
apropos-* commands, and the
find-function/find-library/find-variable/find-face-definition commands,
as well as the Customize system.  I realize that documentation doesn't
write itself, that the parameters of a function on their own may be
rather mysterious, and that machine-generated documentation generally
sucks.  Nonetheless, Emacs provides the user with an unusually rich set
of ways of finding out about the environment's current state and the
workings and customization possibilities of a program, as well as
discovering things you didn't know you were looking for.  I take
"self-documenting" to mean "capable of introspection in a variety of
context-useful ways".  If we updated the Emacs one-line description for
2013, we'd probably call it the "extensible, customizable, introspective
editor".  Or not--that makes it sound like a neurotic existentialist
writer!




  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-08-29  7:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-26 22:43 Is Emacs very alive, active and improving? Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
2013-08-27  0:05 ` Perry Smith
2013-08-27  0:25   ` Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
2013-08-27  9:07 ` Peter Dyballa
2013-08-27 23:52 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-08-28  3:03   ` Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala
2013-08-29  0:39     ` Suvayu Ali
2013-08-28 20:19 ` Ken Goldman
2013-08-29  0:25   ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found] ` <mailman.904.1377721211.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-28 20:53   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-03 19:25     ` Ken Goldman
     [not found]     ` <mailman.3330.1380828355.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-03 19:58       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28 21:09 ` W. Greenhouse
     [not found] ` <mailman.907.1377724222.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-28 21:55   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29  2:04     ` Kevin Montuori
     [not found]     ` <mailman.935.1377741861.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-29  2:55       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29  3:06         ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29  7:59     ` W. Greenhouse [this message]
     [not found]     ` <mailman.943.1377763221.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-29 20:53       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29 21:05         ` Drew Adams
     [not found]         ` <mailman.992.1377810361.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-29 21:24           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29 23:37             ` Drew Adams
     [not found]             ` <mailman.996.1377819467.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-30  0:25               ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29 22:47           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30  6:09         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-30  1:32     ` MBR
     [not found]     ` <mailman.999.1377826390.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-30  2:26       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30 11:58         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-08-30 12:21     ` Ludwig, Mark
2013-08-30 13:28       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-29 23:50 ` Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
     [not found] ` <mailman.997.1377820262.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-30  0:28   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30  1:23     ` Jorge
     [not found]     ` <mailman.998.1377825809.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-30  2:22       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30  6:31         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-30 16:24         ` Jorge
2013-10-04 11:30 ` Luca Ferrari
2013-10-04 21:59   ` Jude DaShiell
2013-10-04 23:16     ` Bob Proulx
     [not found]     ` <mailman.3434.1380928592.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-04 23:35       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-06 12:07         ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-06 21:50           ` Evans Winner
2013-10-09 19:41             ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10  4:27               ` Teemu Likonen
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3736.1381379296.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-10  5:25                 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-10  8:24                   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-10 22:18                     ` Bob Proulx
2013-10-11 10:39                       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-10 10:36                   ` Phillip Lord
2013-10-10 11:00                     ` Rainer M Krug
2013-10-10 15:16                       ` Peter Dyballa
2013-10-11 11:06                       ` Phillip Lord
2013-10-12 22:01                         ` Christopher Ritsen
2013-10-14 11:04                           ` Phillip Lord
2013-10-14 16:50                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-14 19:25                             ` Christopher Ritsen
2013-10-15 11:30                               ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.4032.1381836640.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-15 17:56                                 ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.3989.1381778782.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-14 21:54                               ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-15  6:27                                 ` Bob Proulx
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.4022.1381818464.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-15 17:50                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-16  4:56                                     ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-17  1:45                                       ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.3906.1381619521.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-13  2:36                           ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-10 13:04                   ` Carson Chittom
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3784.1381425760.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-10 20:44                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3742.1381393368.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-10 20:57                     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-11 10:56                       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-11 19:06                         ` Bob Proulx
2013-10-12  7:48                           ` Andreas Röhler
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.3875.1381563966.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-12 20:24                             ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10 23:54                   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-11  0:05                     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-11  5:58                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.3818.1381470912.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-11 17:20                         ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-09 19:31           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10  2:28             ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-09 21:30         ` Tom Davey
     [not found]         ` <mailman.3718.1381354235.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-09 21:51           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10 16:24         ` henry atting
2013-10-11  5:19         ` Eric Abrahamsen
     [not found] ` <mailman.3391.1380886224.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-04 17:45   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-04 19:28     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]     ` <mailman.3429.1380914709.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-04 20:18       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-08 11:36     ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-09 19:43       ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found] ` <mailman.815.1377561963.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-13 14:47   ` Eric Brown
2013-10-13 15:08     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-13 17:52       ` Eric Brown
2013-10-13 18:13     ` Alex Schroeder
2013-10-13 19:23       ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found] <mailman.811.1377557346.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-27  1:44 ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-27 23:59 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28  0:20   ` Marko Vojinovic
2013-08-28  1:56     ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]     ` <mailman.880.1377655035.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-28  1:59       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28  0:35   ` Marc Weber
     [not found]   ` <mailman.874.1377650119.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-28  1:08     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28  3:25       ` Marc Weber
     [not found]       ` <mailman.883.1377660293.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-28  4:08         ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-28 20:48           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28 20:37         ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28  1:39   ` Jorge
2013-10-12 13:39 ` Kai Grossjohann
2013-10-12 15:30   ` Drew Adams
2013-10-12 20:39   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-12 20:57     ` Kai Grossjohann
2013-10-12 20:58     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]   ` <mailman.3883.1381591837.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-12 21:01     ` Kai Grossjohann
2013-10-12 21:14       ` Drew Adams
2013-10-12 21:15       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-13 13:33         ` Kai Großjohann
     [not found]         ` <mailman.3924.1381671200.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-13 15:25           ` Emanuel Berg

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