From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Trying to right-align my window on startup Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 18:53:04 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87iotmmova.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> References: <3cec217d-8adb-4e6c-b239-eff0c8b520c9@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1389722122 29269 80.91.229.3 (14 Jan 2014 17:55:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 17:55:22 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 14 18:55:30 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W38D3-0004P4-Vi for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 18:55:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49840 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W38D3-0003Fc-KZ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 12:55:29 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!news.stack.nl!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 43 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: VVbyYd/iFZoeWNmD9i++cQ.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:R//UxThZ1Fhu5ZHBu4KX5JK1nh8= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:203121 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:95390 Archived-At: Rusi writes: >> I just hate its UI. > > If a first year student of mine cannot distinguish > data and code (s)he'd get an F grade. customize does > that. Proof of that is that it throws random crud at > my init file when I am not looking. Mostly I get > away by keeping the custom file as its very exclusive > garbage dump. But with all my care it still > occasionally stomps my (ie my init's) toes. > > So no customize is not written for wimps, its written > by wimps Of course Customize is not "cool", and Lisp is, but that's not the most important reason why I dislike it. It is just so unpleasant to navigate those screens and get an overflow of information and text, back and forth. A couple of screens later, you have forgotten what it was you were to customize, and even more, why you set out to do that in the first place! Compare that to just adding a single `setq' line in .emacs... The English garden is only pleasant for recreation. For work, we need French gardens, or even better, a Japanese rock garden. And, at one point or another, you want to write "real" Elisp anyway (as in functions, not just settings), and at that point, the "setq Lisp" in .emacs is a baby-step as good as any. At the other end of the spectrum, to just write Elisp all day long to be more "productive", until you are so productive, and your swords that sharp, that if you ever were to *use* them, you would single-handedly push back the Orc horde of Mordor! That's just an OCB trap you should be aware of. -- underground experts united: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573