From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Wherein I argue for the inclusion of libnettle in Emacs 24.5
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 19:00:52 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87iosrmecr.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k3d7i9rt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>
David Kastrup writes:
> "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> writes:
> > That order means that not only do you have to turn over the drive, you
> > also have to give them the passphrases or PGP keys (as with GPLv3).
> > So it's irrelevant to this thread, which is about mechanisms to make
> > wiretapping less useful.
>
> Oh, but we are not talking about what this section is _intended_ to
> authorize (its own author is trying to gather support for shutting down
> its widely overreaching abuse) but rather what it is being used as an
> excuse for.
>
> And since it is easiest to overstep authority if nobody notices or is
> allowed to take notice, the main overreach in practice is clandestine
> eavesdropping using generic tools that can be employed without requiring
> billable hours by specialists for particular cases.
In case you hadn't noticed, we're in violent agreement on that last
point.
My point in this thread is that I think there is good reason to
believe that availability of the "facilities"[1] Ted proposes is
likely to make it *easier* for the FBI/NSA to snoop on some people who
are *trying* as hard as they know how to be secure, while not really
improving available security over the status quo for anybody.
That leaves us with the "if I can make security less of a PITA, more
people will try to be secure" argument, but I don't think it's strong
enough to override Stefan's objections.
> Mind you, he's been standing on the shoulders of giants. Carthage was
> not razed in a day.
Yeah, I know, I know. I give him credit for *being* black[2], but it
would seem that he's never had to live in fear of the cops the way my
black highschool classmates did. :-(
Footnotes:
[1] What's the difference between a "facility" and a "feature"?
[2] Yeah, I know it's bigoted but I still have a soft spot in my
heart for members of "oppressed minorities" who make it to the top
in spite of the glass ceiling.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-02-07 10:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-02-03 22:36 Wherein I argue for the inclusion of libnettle in Emacs 24.5 Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-02-04 3:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-02-04 13:07 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-02-04 14:44 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-02-04 18:36 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-02-04 22:44 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-02-05 2:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-02-05 2:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-02-05 7:00 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-02-05 8:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-02-05 13:41 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-02-05 15:50 ` andres.ramirez
2014-02-05 17:00 ` chad
2014-02-05 18:55 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-02-06 5:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-02-06 11:49 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-02-06 13:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-02-06 14:28 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-02-06 15:05 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-02-06 15:54 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-02-07 2:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-02-07 6:51 ` David Kastrup
2014-02-07 7:15 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-02-07 8:53 ` David Kastrup
2014-02-07 10:00 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2014-02-07 10:49 ` David Kastrup
2014-02-07 20:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-02-07 21:42 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-02-07 22:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-02-07 15:30 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-02-07 9:07 ` Daiki Ueno
2014-02-07 11:54 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-02-08 8:11 ` Daiki Ueno
2014-02-08 16:59 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-02-05 8:19 ` Daiki Ueno
2014-02-04 13:10 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-02-04 16:27 ` Paul Eggert
2014-02-04 18:32 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-02-04 19:04 ` Paul Eggert
2014-02-04 20:11 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-02-04 21:46 ` Paul Eggert
2014-02-04 22:44 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-02-04 22:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-02-05 5:11 ` Daiki Ueno
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