Using sideways table with :placement in Org 8.0?

Using sideways table with :placement in Org 8.0?

[John Hendy]

I was just playing around with the new syntax for accessing
sidewaystable in Org 8.0, but it doesn't seem to be working. The
manual /seems/ pretty straightforward:
- http://orgmode.org/manual/LaTeX-specific-attributes.html

":placement
Float environment for the table. Possible values are sidewaystable,
multicolumn, t and nil. When unspecified, a table with a caption will
have atable environment. Moreover, :placement attribute can specify
the positioning of the float. "

Here's a test document:

* Heading

#+attr_latex: :placement sidewaystable
| *alpha* | *beta* | *gamma* | *delta* |
|---------+--------+---------+---------|
|     100 |    200 |     300 |     400 |
|     200 |    100 |  17.321 |   133.3 |
|     400 |     50 |   4.162 |    44.4 |
|     800 |     25 |   2.040 |    14.8 |

Minimal config loaded with `emacs -Q`:

(add-to-list 'load-path "~/.elisp/org.git/lisp/")
(add-to-list 'load-path "~/.elisp/org.git/contrib/lisp/")
(require 'ox-latex)

The resultant table is not inside of \begin/end{sidewaystable}:

\begin{center}
\begin{tabular}{rrrr}
\textbf{alpha} & \textbf{beta} & \textbf{gamma} & \textbf{delta}\\
\hline
100 & 200 & 300 & 400\\
200 & 100 & 17.321 & 133.3\\
400 & 50 & 4.162 & 44.4\\
800 & 25 & 2.040 & 14.8\\
\end{tabular}
\end{center}

The heading contains \usepackage{rotating}, but it's not calling for
sidewaystable anyway, so that shouldn't matter.

Thanks for any suggestions.


John

Re: Using sideways table with :placement in Org 8.0?

[Nick Dokos]

John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes:

> I was just playing around with the new syntax for accessing
> sidewaystable in Org 8.0, but it doesn't seem to be working. The
> manual /seems/ pretty straightforward:
> - http://orgmode.org/manual/LaTeX-specific-attributes.html
>
> ":placement
> Float environment for the table. Possible values are sidewaystable,
> multicolumn, t and nil. When unspecified, a table with a caption will
> have atable environment. Moreover, :placement attribute can specify
> the positioning of the float. "
>

Actually it says:

,----
| `:float'
| `:placement'
|      Float environment for the table.  Possible values are
|      `sidewaystable', `multicolumn', `t' and `nil'.  When unspecified,
|      a table with a caption will have a `table' environment.  Moreover,
|      `:placement' attribute can specify the positioning of the float.
`----

Try

#+attr_latex: :float sidewaystable

instead. The doc does need clarification.

> Here's a test document:
>
> * Heading
>
> #+attr_latex: :placement sidewaystable
> | *alpha* | *beta* | *gamma* | *delta* |
> |---------+--------+---------+---------|
> |     100 |    200 |     300 |     400 |
> |     200 |    100 |  17.321 |   133.3 |
> |     400 |     50 |   4.162 |    44.4 |
> |     800 |     25 |   2.040 |    14.8 |
>
> Minimal config loaded with `emacs -Q`:
>
> (add-to-list 'load-path "~/.elisp/org.git/lisp/")
> (add-to-list 'load-path "~/.elisp/org.git/contrib/lisp/")
> (require 'ox-latex)
>
> The resultant table is not inside of \begin/end{sidewaystable}:
>
> \begin{center}
> \begin{tabular}{rrrr}
> \textbf{alpha} & \textbf{beta} & \textbf{gamma} & \textbf{delta}\\
> \hline
> 100 & 200 & 300 & 400\\
> 200 & 100 & 17.321 & 133.3\\
> 400 & 50 & 4.162 & 44.4\\
> 800 & 25 & 2.040 & 14.8\\
> \end{tabular}
> \end{center}
>
> The heading contains \usepackage{rotating}, but it's not calling for
> sidewaystable anyway, so that shouldn't matter.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>
>
> John
>
>

-- 
Nick

Re: Using sideways table with :placement in Org 8.0?

[John Hendy]

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On Mar 10, 2014 12:22 AM, "Nick Dokos" <ndokos@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > I was just playing around with the new syntax for accessing
> > sidewaystable in Org 8.0, but it doesn't seem to be working. The
> > manual /seems/ pretty straightforward:
> > - http://orgmode.org/manual/LaTeX-specific-attributes.html
> >
> > ":placement
> > Float environment for the table. Possible values are sidewaystable,
> > multicolumn, t and nil. When unspecified, a table with a caption will
> > have atable environment. Moreover, :placement attribute can specify
> > the positioning of the float. "
> >
>
> Actually it says:
>
> ,----
> | `:float'
> | `:placement'
> |      Float environment for the table.  Possible values are
> |      `sidewaystable', `multicolumn', `t' and `nil'.  When unspecified,
> |      a table with a caption will have a `table' environment.  Moreover,
> |      `:placement' attribute can specify the positioning of the float.
> `----
>
> Try
>
> #+attr_latex: :float sidewaystable
>
> instead. The doc does need clarification.
>

Blast. I was close! I thought :float was standalone so I tried this combo
last night as well.

:float :placement sidewaystsble

Now it makes sense I think. Is placement just for things like [htb], then?
If so, perhaps those should be split into separate line items.

Thanks!
John

> > Here's a test document:
> >
> > * Heading
> >
> > #+attr_latex: :placement sidewaystable
> > | *alpha* | *beta* | *gamma* | *delta* |
> > |---------+--------+---------+---------|
> > |     100 |    200 |     300 |     400 |
> > |     200 |    100 |  17.321 |   133.3 |
> > |     400 |     50 |   4.162 |    44.4 |
> > |     800 |     25 |   2.040 |    14.8 |
> >
> > Minimal config loaded with `emacs -Q`:
> >
> > (add-to-list 'load-path "~/.elisp/org.git/lisp/")
> > (add-to-list 'load-path "~/.elisp/org.git/contrib/lisp/")
> > (require 'ox-latex)
> >
> > The resultant table is not inside of \begin/end{sidewaystable}:
> >
> > \begin{center}
> > \begin{tabular}{rrrr}
> > \textbf{alpha} & \textbf{beta} & \textbf{gamma} & \textbf{delta}\\
> > \hline
> > 100 & 200 & 300 & 400\\
> > 200 & 100 & 17.321 & 133.3\\
> > 400 & 50 & 4.162 & 44.4\\
> > 800 & 25 & 2.040 & 14.8\\
> > \end{tabular}
> > \end{center}
> >
> > The heading contains \usepackage{rotating}, but it's not calling for
> > sidewaystable anyway, so that shouldn't matter.
> >
> > Thanks for any suggestions.
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
>
> --
> Nick
>
>

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Re: Using sideways table with :placement in Org 8.0?

[John Hendy]

On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 7:57 AM, John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mar 10, 2014 12:22 AM, "Nick Dokos" <ndokos@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > I was just playing around with the new syntax for accessing
>> > sidewaystable in Org 8.0, but it doesn't seem to be working. The
>> > manual /seems/ pretty straightforward:
>> > - http://orgmode.org/manual/LaTeX-specific-attributes.html
>> >
>> > ":placement
>> > Float environment for the table. Possible values are sidewaystable,
>> > multicolumn, t and nil. When unspecified, a table with a caption will
>> > have atable environment. Moreover, :placement attribute can specify
>> > the positioning of the float. "
>> >
>>
>> Actually it says:
>>
>> ,----
>> | `:float'
>> | `:placement'
>> |      Float environment for the table.  Possible values are
>> |      `sidewaystable', `multicolumn', `t' and `nil'.  When unspecified,
>> |      a table with a caption will have a `table' environment.  Moreover,
>> |      `:placement' attribute can specify the positioning of the float.
>> `----
>>
>> Try
>>
>> #+attr_latex: :float sidewaystable
>>
>> instead. The doc does need clarification.
>>
>
> Blast. I was close! I thought :float was standalone so I tried this combo
> last night as well.
>
> :float :placement sidewaystsble
>
> Now it makes sense I think. Is placement just for things like [htb], then?
> If so, perhaps those should be split into separate line items.
>

Hi Nick (or others),


Just following up on this so that the manual can be changed. Just to
re-ask, I'm wondering if :float and :placement are independent (no
overlap). If so, I'd suggest something more like this:

#+begin_example

:float
Environment for the table... possible values are: sidewaystable,
multicolumn, t and nil

:placement
Positioning arguments for the float... possible values are: [value list]
#+end_example

Is that possible, or do these arguments take any overlapping values.
In looking for float placement options, I'm finding:
- http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Floats,_Figures_and_Captions#Figures

Thus, I'm guessing :placement takes h, t, b, p, !, and H (though it
should be noted that sidewaystable requires the rotfloat package to
use H).

For what it's worth, while I was perusing this page for this email, I
find it a bit confusing. The tables section says nothing about what
the :float values do, yet images and code sections walk through each
of them with a nice summary.

There's also a link to [Images and tables], which seems pretty
table-dominant in terms of the actual content. The title of that page
would imply to me that it's an overview of tables and figures, however
it's really only about captions and names. I wonder about adding links
to the various #+attr_backend manual pages that exist for
images/tables, as it seems like one would naturally be interested in
how to export their images/tables properly from Org, and that page
doesn't help with that at all.

Thanks for any feedback. Happy to help make any desired changes.


Best regards,
John

> Thanks!
> John
>

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Re: Using sideways table with :placement in Org 8.0?

[John Hendy]

On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 7:57 AM, John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mar 10, 2014 12:22 AM, "Nick Dokos" <ndokos@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > I was just playing around with the new syntax for accessing
>> > sidewaystable in Org 8.0, but it doesn't seem to be working. The
>> > manual /seems/ pretty straightforward:
>> > - http://orgmode.org/manual/LaTeX-specific-attributes.html
>> >
>> > ":placement
>> > Float environment for the table. Possible values are sidewaystable,
>> > multicolumn, t and nil. When unspecified, a table with a caption will
>> > have atable environment. Moreover, :placement attribute can specify
>> > the positioning of the float. "
>> >
>>
>> Actually it says:
>>
>> ,----
>> | `:float'
>> | `:placement'
>> |      Float environment for the table.  Possible values are
>> |      `sidewaystable', `multicolumn', `t' and `nil'.  When unspecified,
>> |      a table with a caption will have a `table' environment.  Moreover,
>> |      `:placement' attribute can specify the positioning of the float.
>> `----
>>
>> Try
>>
>> #+attr_latex: :float sidewaystable
>>
>> instead. The doc does need clarification.
>>
>
> Blast. I was close! I thought :float was standalone so I tried this combo
> last night as well.
>
> :float :placement sidewaystsble
>
> Now it makes sense I think. Is placement just for things like [htb], then?
> If so, perhaps those should be split into separate line items.
>

Hi Nick (or others),


Just following up on this so that the manual can be changed. Just to
re-ask, I'm wondering if :float and :placement are independent (no
overlap). If so, I'd suggest something more like this:

#+begin_example

:float
Environment for the table... possible values are: sidewaystable,
multicolumn, t and nil

:placement
Positioning arguments for the float... possible values are: [value list]
#+end_example

Is that possible, or do these arguments take any overlapping values.
In looking for float placement options, I'm finding:
- http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Floats,_Figures_and_Captions#Figures

Thus, I'm guessing :placement takes h, t, b, p, !, and H (though it
should be noted that sidewaystable requires the rotfloat package to
use H).

For what it's worth, while I was perusing this page for this email, I
find it a bit confusing. The tables section says nothing about what
the :float values do, yet images and code sections walk through each
of them with a nice summary.

There's also a link to [Images and tables], which seems pretty
table-dominant in terms of the actual content. The title of that page
would imply to me that it's an overview of tables and figures, however
it's really only about captions and names. I wonder about adding links
to the various #+attr_backend manual pages that exist for
images/tables, as it seems like one would naturally be interested in
how to export their images/tables properly from Org, and that page
doesn't help with that at all.

Thanks for any feedback. Happy to help make any desired changes.


Best regards,
John

> Thanks!
> John
>

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