From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs Mini Manual (PART 3) - CUSTOMIZING AND EXTENDING EMACS Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 23:21:07 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87ion71r98.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <5eaf0440-3124-4d89-bd20-ddada9a3db12@googlegroups.com> <87r425qi4t.fsf@debian.uxu> <619ae998-2ce5-428d-bec7-a654427b81d0@googlegroups.com> <87k37nzy2q.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1405033790 28253 80.91.229.3 (10 Jul 2014 23:09:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 23:09:50 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 11 01:09:45 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1X5NTF-0001N8-5A for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 01:09:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57943 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X4ct7-0000wX-QN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 17:25:21 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 57 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: SIvZRMPqRkkTHAHL6NkRuw.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:fsnsDNP/4rAzA87/4JBQTT8In18= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:206322 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:98633 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> I only have a very old version of the manual - Emacs >> 18, I think - but I read that twice. > > Really? You have _only_ an old version? Yes. It is actually a very cool item. The pages are in A4 and it has a light-blue cover and dark-blue heft. A big section is about the GNU philosophy. It is in questions and answers, and in the questions there is criticism of the whole idea. That's brave! You get the feeling it was much more alive back then and not just a set of axioms, a "stamp" you accept in principle but nonetheless ignore in practice, eager to get to the technology part of whatever documentation or piece of source. > If you have a version of Emacs more recent than 18 > then you should also have its manual, as part of > Emacs. Well, this is actually not the case as was recently discussed in another thread. With 'info Emacs' I get the Emacs FAQ, not the manual. There was mention of some bad blood between the Emacs people and the Debian people, who considered the Emacs manual non-free (no idea why). I have of course access to the non-free repos, but there is no emacs-doc like with gcc which documentation (the manpage) Debian also has issues with. Wait - I think I got it, it is probably emacs24-common-non-dfsg, right? DFSG is "Debian Free Software Guidelines". > (And if you do have the manual for your version then > you should be reading that, not (just) the Emacs 18 > manual.) Well, should and should... I'm not going to read it on the screen by the computer, that's for sure. > Even if, for some reason, you do not have a more > recent manual than 18, recent manuals are available > online. For example: > http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/ Yes, this seems to be the PDF, ready to print: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/pdf/emacs.pdf Alright, I'll do it. I know you contributed to it so I'll just blame you for everything I don't like. But actually I think I'll like all or most of it. -- underground experts united