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From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: how to add button to emacs that play a elisp code
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 01:42:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ioktn2qp.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87vbotx3ht.fsf@debian.uxu

Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:

> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>
>>>> Please please prettty please don't quote your
>>>> lambdas!
>>>
>>> ?????
>>
>> Write it:
>>
>>    (global-set-key [(super meta i)] (lambda ()
>> (interactive) (ispell-change-dictionary "italian")))
>
> It is probably easier to remember if you exilian why.
>
> With the quote, it is a list, with the first element
> lambda, the second element an empty list, and so on.
>
>     '(1 2 3) ; the list (1 2 3)
> (list 1 2 3) ; the same

No, not the same!


(defun f () '(1 2 3))
(defun g () (list 1 2 3))

(eq (f) (f)) --> t
(eq (g) (g)) --> nil

list always return a new list or nil.
quote always return the very same object it has in argument.

It's not the same at all!


> By the way, I thought I would make it even more
> pedagogical with `functionp' and `listp', but:
>
> (functionp '(lambda () (interactive) 1)) ; t
> (listp      (lambda () (interactive) 1)) ; t

This is wrong also.


(defun h ()
 (list (functionp '(lambda () (interactive) 1))
       (listp      (lambda () (interactive) 1))))
(h) --> (t t)
(byte-compile 'h)
(h) --> (t nil)


It just happens that for the emacs lisp interpreter, a lambda expression
is a function, and therefore in emacs lisp, lambda is a macro that
returns a lambda expression and it works.  But once compiled it doesn't
work anymore.


And personnaly, I'd promote a more common lisp, therefore I would avoid
using those specific particularities, since in other Common Lisp
implementations, functions are entirely distinct from lists.


-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__                 http://www.informatimago.com/
“The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a
dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to
keep the man from touching the equipment.” -- Carl Bass CEO Autodesk


  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-11 23:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-11  7:44 how to add button to emacs that play a elisp code Renato Pontefice
2014-09-11  8:08 ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2014-09-11  8:40   ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2014-09-11 12:17     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-11 12:22       ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2014-09-11 12:35         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-11 12:46           ` Gian Uberto Lauri
     [not found]         ` <mailman.8685.1410439222.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-09-11 21:15           ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-11 23:42             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon [this message]
2014-09-12  0:05               ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-12  0:23                 ` Michael Heerdegen
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.8717.1410481417.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-09-12  0:50                   ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-12  1:19                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-09-12 14:52                       ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.8719.1410484774.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-09-12  2:07                       ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-12  7:44                         ` Renato Pontefice
2014-09-12 10:15                           ` Renato Pontefice
2014-09-12 19:33                             ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-13 21:28                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2014-09-14  2:30                   ` Rusi
2014-09-14  4:18                     ` Rusi
2014-09-14 18:16                     ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-14 18:11                   ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-15  5:48                     ` Alex Kost
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.8874.1410760111.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-09-15 22:45                       ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-16  4:55                         ` Alex Kost
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.8956.1410843332.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-09-16 22:27                           ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]   ` <mailman.8671.1410424828.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-09-11 21:06     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found] ` <mailman.8670.1410422963.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-09-11  8:24   ` Renato Pontefice
2014-09-11 16:00 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon

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